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    Distraction? More like Trump’s neverending jihad against Obama which, as I’ve maintained from jump street, goes back to the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner where the Donald was made the butt of jokes by Obama, and Trump, vindictive as the day is long, has neither forgiven or forgotten what went down that night. And when you’re on Trump’s shit list, it’s for life as he NEVER lets go of a grudge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Manhattan district attorney subpoenas 8 years of Trump tax returns

    One of these days, someone is going to get a hold of those tax returns and make them public. I'm dying to find out what Trump is so desperate to hide.



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    Watch it will be for something hilariously stupid like proof he not a billionaire & that he pays 0 taxes. His vanity knows no bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Distraction? More like Trump’s neverending jihad against Obama which, as I’ve maintained from jump street, goes back to the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner where the Donald was made the butt of jokes by Obama, and Trump, vindictive as the day is long, has neither forgiven or forgotten what went down that night. And when you’re on Trump’s shit list, it’s for life as he NEVER lets go of a grudge.
    This is absolutely the only reason why he is doing this. To show how far he will go, he has also been kicking around the idea commuting the sentence of convicted ex-governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich. Why? Because it was Obama's senate seat that Blago was trying to profit from went it was going to be vacated once he started serving as POTUS. Of course, Blago did appear on Celebrity Apprentice before he went to trial. But Trump wants to get back at Obama in any way he can. He has tried to say that Blago's crimes are no big deal, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLGO 13 View Post
    Watch it will be for something hilariously stupid like proof he not a billionaire & that he pays 0 taxes. His vanity knows no bounds.
    I'm hoping it will uncover how he was able to put together deals after his catastrophic bankruptcies with the Atlantic City casinos. It's probably going to be proved that his source of income will be traced to Russian oligarchs. And all Russian Oligarchs are at Putin's command. Lawrence O'Donnell did get into a bit of trouble for broadcasting that a Russian oligarch co-signed on his loans at Deutsche Bank before the source was verified. But this has been kicked around for years. They are probably waiting for solid proof in the US District Court for the Southern District of NY. They've been in on almost all the ongoing investigations of Trump's finances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Manhattan district attorney subpoenas 8 years of Trump tax returns

    One of these days, someone is going to get a hold of those tax returns and make them public. I'm dying to find out what Trump is so desperate to hide.



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    Since this DA seems to have a history as a scumbag it makes me wonder if, should Trumps tax returns be delivered to him, do they then become unavailable to any official federal investigations?
    I might look into that if I have time later.
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    Is there any rule that limits the number of articles I can post on a particular subject? I feel like a complex subject like this needs a lot of attention, the more information I gather, the better the context I can provide and I think you saying the accusation of racism against the GOP is done in bad faith and providing a Ross Douthat article to make that point, you are going to get some pushback on that. If you are going to make the argument that accusations of racism against the GOP are a cynical attempt to score political points with unfair smears, I can counter that Douthat is cynically ignoring the racism that exists within in the GOP for political purposes, that whitewashing the ugliness the party is putting forward is a cynical move and calling it is fair, IMO. If the GOP is providing cover for Trump when he tells people of color in Congress to go back to their home countries (even though most of them were born in the US and all are US citizens), how is that not racist? What can be called racist at that point? If the GOP is giving Trump cover on this issue, how are they not racist? I care more the truth then the feelings of conservatives, to say racism does not exist within the GOP is put the feelings of conservatives above the truth, which I will not do, I am sorry if this makes conservatives uncomfortable, but what is more important, what I think is the truth or someone's feelings?

    You can do whatever, time is precious, address or not address anything you want, I am no position to make you do anything. This article likely addresses the Ross Douthat the most head-on, so that may be the most interesting one to handle, to me these articles are just bolstering what is my point, that I do think the GOP has a real problem racism and just saying these accusations of racism are unfair liberal smears is being blind to the problem.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/....html#comments

    Look at Doutht article, I feel like he is really cherry examples of what he thinks are unfair claims of racism, but that is not seeing the forest through the trees.

    One he says those are 4 things are not racist, okay but that is his opinion, not a fact.

    He sites Meddow's attempting to take Steven Menashi's support for Israel as a Jewish state as high brow ''white supremacy'', now you can argue that is a hot word that may not apply, but I can counter that the government of Isreal uses that as justification to make Arab citizens second class citizens, which I think is not just and is bigoted. It's not antisemitic to point out when the Israeli government is acting in an illiberal manner, to do otherwise is to put feelings above facts.

    The point of birth rates I can take to task as well, sure in theory that is not racist to discuss birth rates and wanting to increase it in the US, but white nationalists often attach a lot of stuff to that, insane conspiracy theories about a great replacement, so that does have some baggage at this point.

    I can address the other 2, but I am not familiar with them and I think that is irrelevant to my ultimate point.

    Maybe Olson was making fun if antisemites and maybe he was dog piled on by people who thought he was racist when he wasn't, I do not know enough to make that case.

    The problem with this cherry-picking ignores the far more obvious things that expose the GOP racism problem, like Trump telling people to go back to where they came from and saying a judge of Mexican descent is unfit to judge him and the GOP gives him cover for it. Saying those 4 things are not racism does not negate all the racism the GOP is promoting. These cherry-picked examples do not negate the ultimate truth of GOP racism.
    There's no rule, although I think it is better to respect the time of others by not insinuating that there's an obligation to read multiple articles, and answer several detailed questions.

    Obviously Douthat's selection represents his opinion. You're free to articulate that the things that were called racist are racist (presumably in the "this person should be shunned by polite society for following in the footsteps of Bull Connor" sense of the word, and not the "white liberal confesses to their own implicit biases and vows to be better" sense of racism.)

    It's cherry-picking to go after randos on twitter, but someone writing for a major outlet should know better, so if there's multiple examples from MSNBC's top show, the Washington Post and Bloomberg Law over the course of two weeks, that does suggest liberals are consistently getting it wrong on a sensitive topic where allegations carry great moral weight.

    As for your article, it's a grab-bag of allegations but does serve as a good summary of progressive concerns.

    From this perch, (Republicans) pursued an agenda dedicated, in large part, to demonizing immigrants from Central America, the Caribbean, Africa, and the Middle East, while extolling the virtues of those from Europe; curtailing voting rights and seeking to reduce political representation for black and Hispanic people, for the express purpose of winning elections; and criminalizing abortion and reducing affordable health-care options in states where maternal and infant mortality rates are worse than in many less developed economies, especially for black women and children.
    It seems odd to suggest that Republicans want more black and brown babies as part of a racist strategy.

    Immigration policy is complex, especially since Democrats are generally unwilling to express any preferred limiting principle. The Republican approach of wanting to replace family unification and lottery based systems with more skills based immigration gets closer to international norms, and is actually rather popular.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...d-immigration/

    With voting rights, Democrats largely go with policies that are in their self-interest, even if there are going to be costs associated. They live in high population density areas, so last minute registration and outreach is more cost-effective. Some voting precincts are going to be shut down because it's too expensive. There are some pushes to make Election Day a national holiday (I'm ambivalent about whether that'll make a difference) which neglect that a lot of elections are decided during the primary.

    Cheney-Rice thinks it's a problem that half of Republicans think African-Americans are more likely to be violent or criminal, although the statistics don't exactly contradict this. There are complicating factors (poverty, generations-long consequences of poor policies such as exposure to lead paint in public housing or disparities in drug charges leading to young minority men developing criminal records which limit their professional opportunities) but it is sketchy to blame people for answering a simplistic poll question with information that is arguably accurate.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...s-commit-crime

    There is a chicken and egg thing with liberal concerns about racism. Zak-Cheney praises liberals for sounding "the alarm about where the GOP was headed when much of the conservative intelligentsia was busy using op-ed pages and cable-news appearances to launder its descent" but it was also a convenient allegation for the left to make. It was made against Bush, Romney and McCain, which meant swing voters were less likely to care when the same charge was made against Trump.

    A very uncomfortable question for Republicans is whether in a divided country they could survive by shooing away racists, just as Democrats might not be able to survive if they shoo away minority voters who have low opinions of other races.

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    An explosion rocked a Russian research facility known for housing the smallpox virus

    An explosion Monday caused a fire at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, a biological research facility in Siberia known for being one of the two centers in the world housing samples of live smallpox virus. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta is the only other place known to maintain live samples of the deadly pathogen.

    According to the head administrator of Koltsovo city, where the research center, commonly called the Vector Institute, is located, the explosion occurred during scheduled maintenance work. The incident doesn’t pose a threat to the surrounding community, Nikolai Krasnikov told the Russian TASS news agency. According to TASS, there were no biohazard substances involved. One worker was injured and taken to a hospital with burns. Russia Today reported that emergency responders were treating the explosion and fire as a major incident, given the sensitive work of the Vector Institute.

    The Vector Institute is known for producing top-notch epidemiological research. According to TASS, researchers recently wrapped up successful trials on an Ebola vaccine earlier this year. Despite that reputation, there have been questions raised about the institute. A high-ranking Soviet bioweapons official who defected to the United States in the 1990s claimed that smallpox had been moved to the Vector Institute in order to conduct bioweapons research.

    The world’s other smallpox repository, the CDC, has also faced questions about its safety processes and infrastructure. In 2016, USA Today published an investigation on failures at the centers, including a 2009 incident where scientists in biohazard suits could see light seeping into a decontamination chamber where workers who’d just done work with deadly pathogens were supposed to be doused in a chemical shower.
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    When my brother called to tell me about the arrest of former Bordentown Township police chief Frank Nucera Jr. last week, I burst into tears.
    Nearly 13 years ago, my father was hit by a car and killed in Bordentown, NJ. Nucera apparently wasn’t the chief back then, but he was on the force – a police force that assumed things about my dad that weren’t true, neglected my father’s well-being and gave a pass to the person who killed him

    Nucera is now facing a federal hate crime charge and a federal civil rights charge stemming from other alleged incidents, but this didn’t just start and end with him. As I have long maintained for over a decade, that entire police department must be investigated to reveal its culture of prejudice and how it treats certain segments of society as second-class citizens. The sad reality is that this isn’t even confined to just the Bordentown Township Police Department; there are voiceless victims across the country who suffer in silence and never receive a semblance of justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    Exactly. If Trump loses in a close vote, he’ll demand endless recounts. If he gets blown out, he’ll scream bloody murder about the election having been fixed. Either way, pulling teeth with tweezers will be easier than getting Trump out should he lose.
    I think he'll walk out but simply claim via tweeting and media interviews he's still President (albeit with a "new Oval Office") to save face.

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    A teen allegedly wanted to ‘shoot 400 people for fun.’ Cops found an AK-47 in her bedroom

    Alexis Wilson was working an afternoon shift at the local Pizza Inn in McAlester, Okla., on Sunday, when she pulled a co-worker aside to boast about her new gun.

    The slight 18-year-old with large brown eyes clutched her iPhone and pressed play on a video of her shooting a newly purchased AK-47, according to an incident report. Then Wilson told the other teenage waitress how much she resented the people at her old school — allegedly adding that she wanted to “shoot 400 people for fun.”

    The chilling conversation shook Wilson’s co-worker. She reported it to a manager, who called the McAlester police.

    On Monday, the Pittsburg County Sheriff’s Office said Wilson was charged with a felony for making a terrorist threat against McAlester High School.

    “In today’s times, you can’t say stuff like that,” Pittsburg County Sheriff Chris Morris told KTUL. “We’re going to take it serious and investigate it to the fullest extent and make an arrest if possible because we do not want any of our schools getting shot up — nobody does.”
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    First time we've seen a woman fit the profile of a mass shooter or wannabe mass shooter in awhile.
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    On this date in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, as well as 2018, that "Crazy/Stupid Republican of the Day" published profiles of the U.S. House Representative from Colorado’s 5th Congressional District, Doug Lamborn, who first won office in 2007 by gay-baiting and claiming his primary opponent “supported the homosexual agenda” (which wasn’t the case). Lamborn was also named the most conservative member of Congress in 2010 by the National Journal, which makes sense when you realize he was one of the original member of the GOP to push legislation fueled by FOX News’ “War on Christmas”, as well as being the guy the guy who co-sponsored a bill to try to defund National Public Radio. Plus, long before Mitt Romney ever talked about defunding PBS and speaking ill of Big Bird, Rep. Lamborn did it first. Lamborn even once gave an interview where he described being associated with President Obama “like touching a tar baby”, which he defended by saying he had no idea “tar baby” was a racial slur. That may be part of the reason that he once called for American generals to resign to protest President Obama's foreign policy or the time he made a spectacle of himself back in 2012 by announcing that he was boycotting President Obama's State of the Union Address, then complaining when the media actually reported it, and saying he was being "unfairly singled out". Lamborn has also took to claiming President Obama was doing nothing to prevent Christian persecution around the globe because he was too busy supporting LGBT causes, instead.

    Needless to say, Doug Lamborn has been getting a lot of grief at his town hall meetings. And then he was implicated as someone who benefited from stock advice from fellow Congressman Chris Collins, whose stock advice really amounts to insider trading, although unlike Collins, Lamborn avoided being directly indicted.

    He managed to survive the scandal of fraudulent signatures to get on the ballot, to fend off two primary challengers in the form of fellow CSGOPOTDs Owen Hill, and Darryl Glenn, before holding off Democrat Stephanie Rose Spaulding in the general election with 57% of the vote. Now in his 7th term in office, Lamborn has continued his feud with PBS, complaining not just about Sesame Street and Big Bird, but getting his knickers in a twist and trying to defund PBS because the teacher on the cartoon Arthur had the titular character’s teacher, Mr. Ratburn, married to another man (anthropomorphic animal man, but GASP, A MAN!). Lamborn’s fury, as follows:

    … Get bent, Lamborn. And stop whining all the time about the Green New Deal without seeming to even know what it IS, and labeling everything you don’t like “socialism”.

    Anyway, it’s probably not a shock to anyone that Lamborn continues to rack up a highly conservative voting record, now in the minority:



    Make no mistake, Doug Lamborn has become one of the Republicans embracing the GOP becoming the “Party of Trump”, as evidenced by his recent Twitter post commending Donald Trump for choosing to have U.S. Space Command housed at Peterson Air Force, where he bizarrely referred to space warfighters, which we can only assume is related to the fever dream of Trump’s Space Force. Otherwise, we have no idea, because we're currently not having a war in space for anyone to fight in.

    We understand that Colorado’s 5th is one of the more conservative districts in the state, but we can only hope Colorado keeps trending blue enough to oust this stooge sooner, rather than later. We would settle for 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Mets View Post
    It seems odd to suggest that Republicans want more black and brown babies as part of a racist strategy.
    Respectfully, that's now how I read it:

    From this perch, (Republicans) pursued an agenda dedicated, in large part, to ... criminalizing abortion and reducing affordable health-care options in states where maternal and infant mortality rates are worse than in many less developed economies, especially for black women and children.
    This would increase the deaths of black and brown babies (and women). The mortality rates in those states are already 'worse than in many less developed economies' and that's with (some) access to those options already in place - take them away and the deaths will go up. So less black and brown babies rather than more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adkal View Post
    Respectfully, that's now how I read it:



    This would increase the deaths of black and brown babies (and women). The mortality rates in those states are already 'worse than in many less developed economies' and that's with (some) access to those options already in place - take them away and the deaths will go up. So less black and brown babies rather than more.
    This is in fact the correct reading as Mets' point necessarily neglects the racial component involved in abortion lawmaking with regards to panic over the falling birth rates of white Americans, something covered in detail by Elexus Jionde here:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1052022299992449024

    The pro life movement can, in fact, be traced back to falling birth rates among white women. It hasn't really changed since then.

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    Meanwhile, the loathsome Mitch McConnel has a new story on him in Rolling Stone titled 'The Man Who Sold America'. As more people continue to wake to the damage wrought on our Republic by this one man, we can hope his days of power will soon be over.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...merica-880799/
    It’s McConnell’s kind of event, in other words, and he’s done his part over the years to ramp up the partisan rancor. “My favorite year was 1994,” he once told a reporter. “I took a cardboard cutout of Bill Clinton onto the stage and defied the Democrats to come over and have their picture taken with it.” When a congressman took up the challenge, the photo ended up in Republican ads. He lost in November. Last summer, after months of waving through President Trump’s judicial nominees, McConnell opened his remarks with a typically pointed jab — “Father, I’ve been preparing for my visit to the parish by performing as many confirmations as I can” — then stood back, his thin lips curling up slightly into the look of smug satisfaction that happens whenever he’s gotten one over on the liberals.

    This year, it was no use. Even before “Moscow Mitch” became a thing, Kentucky Democrats were smelling blood. McConnell has been unpopular in his home state for years, but his approval rating plunged in one poll to a rock-bottom 18 percent — with a re-election campaign looming in 2020. In January, he had raised red flags among Republicans and -Democrats alike when he took a key role in lifting sanctions on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a Putin ally under FBI investigation for his involvement in 2016 election-meddling; three months later, Deripaska’s aluminum company, Rusal, announced a $200 million investment in Kentucky. A billboard funded by a -liberal group was subsequently erected on a busy stretch of I-75: “Russian mob money . . . really, Mitch?”

    More recently, reports emerged that McConnell’s wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, had set up a pipeline in her department to funnel grants to Kentucky to lift her husband’s political prospects. And as Trump’s trade war with China escalated, uncomfortable old stories began to recirculate about how McConnell “evolved” after he met his future wife in the early Nineties, going from being a fierce China hawk to a potent ally on Capitol Hill. Chao’s father, James — a Chinese American shipping magnate and close friend of former People’s Republic dictator Jiang Zemin — gave McConnell and his wife a huge gift in 2008 that boosted the senator’s net worth from less than $8 million to nearly $20 million. While “Beijing Mitch” doesn’t have quite the same ring as his new moniker, McConnell’s change of heart on Russia was hardly without precedent. (McConnell declined to comment for this story.)
    McConnel will someday rightfully be seen as perhaps one of the very worst Senators, in terms of harm done to the body politic and to its citizenry, to have ever graces the halls of the capitol.
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