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    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    That's it exactly. The Democrats won't win without getting their hands dirty. However, consider this: the Republicans let the Democrats win, so they can sabotage everything and then elect someone even further to the right than Trump in 2024.
    Can you think of any situation where the GOP wouldn't run someone even worse than Trump in 2024? Pushing the far right and running ranting psychopaths is a winning formula right now.

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    Mets, just stop. Its really sad.

    Those 'fine people' on the rights side at Charlottesville included....

    Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the Stormer Book Clubs (SBCs) of the neo-Nazi news website The Daily Stormer,The Right Stuff, the National Policy Institute,and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:the neo-Confederate League of the South,the neo-Nazi groups Traditionalist Worker Party,Vanguard America, and the National Socialist Movement.Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan (specifically the Loyal White Knights and the Confederate White Knights branches), the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, the American Identitarian group Identity Evropa,the Southern California-based fight club Rise Above Movement,the American Guard, the Detroit Right Wings – misappropriating the name of the Detroit Red Wings NHL team, which usage was condemned by the team,True Cascadia,the Canadian-based ARM (Alt-Right Montreal) and Hammer Brothers, and Anti-Communist Action.

    Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman and white supremacist Richard Spencer,entertainer and internet troll Baked Alaska,former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo, Traditionalist Workers Party leader Matthew Heimbach,Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch,Eric Striker of The Daily Stormer, League of the South founder and leader Michael Hill,Red Ice host and founder Henrik Palmgren,The Rebel Media commentator Faith Goldy,Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nick Fuentes,YouTube personality James Allsup,AltRight.com editor Daniel Friberg, former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,Daily Stormer writers Robert "Azzmador" Ray and Gabriel "Zeiger" Sohier-Chaput, Daily Callercontributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.
    Its almost farcical how many Nazis, Confederates, Klansmen and lunatics turned up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Can you think of any situation where the GOP wouldn't run someone even worse than Trump in 2024? Pushing the far right and running ranting psychopaths is a winning formula right now.
    While I don't want to be too optimistic, I do wonder how a potential primary challenger for Trump being in play will figure into that.

    While the "What We Do Is Going To Have Zero To Do With What We Say..." bit is likely going to be a hitch, I do tend to wonder how a candidate who discusses that Republicans sent the debt through the roof(along with other issues) will play with the base.

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    House Intelligence Committee Subpoenas William Barr Over Mueller Documents

    Another House panel voted Wednesday to advance an effort to hold the attorney general in contempt over his refusal to release the special counsel’s full report. Let's see what Droopy Dog does next.

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    Trump Bragged Nonstop About His Success While Quietly Hemorrhaging Millions

    “Even if the world goes to hell in a handbasket, I won’t lose a penny,” he boasted the year his losses had mounted to $90.3 million. To quote Joy Behar from The View: “Would you want him investing your money?” Meanwhile, there's this bit of lunacy from Trump's personal propaganda network:

    ‘Fox & Friends’ Hosts Laud Trump Losing $1 Billion: ‘Wow, It’s Pretty Impressive’

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    Mitch McConnell Broke From Precedent Again To Confirm A Trump Judge

    For the third time in history, the Senate advanced a judicial nominee over the objections of both home-state senators. Turtle Boy strikes again, all part of the GOP's long game to stack the judicial deck with right wing ideologues.

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    Democrats Grapple With A White House That Believes It’s Above The Law

    Almost every dispute between Congress and the Trump administration ends in court. And gutless, cowardly and compliant Republicans in Congress continue looking the other way while Trump trashes the Constitution.

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    Trump Pits Florida Against Puerto Rico Over Emergency Aid: ‘They Don’t Like Me’

    The president told supporters at his rally that Puerto Rico received more hurricane disaster relief than states like Florida. The Divider-in-Chief at work. Why unite the country when he can create Grand Canyon sized schisms instead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    Can you think of any situation where the GOP wouldn't run someone even worse than Trump in 2024? Pushing the far right and running ranting psychopaths is a winning formula right now.
    Well it's worth pointing out that Trump is a total fraud as a far right demagogue, he's way too scatterbrained to have any coherent ideas of his own and has spent his entire life begging to be allowed into the corporate establishment, but it's hard to sell out when nobody's buying. So in a desperate last bid to stay relevant, he decided to tune his ramblings to the last group of people that were still listening to him, but he's never been a true believer when it comes to this white identity stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    Well it's worth pointing out that Trump is a total fraud as a far right demagogue, he's way too scatterbrained to have any coherent ideas of his own and has spent his entire life begging to be allowed into the corporate establishment, but it's hard to sell out when nobody's buying. So in a desperate last bid to stay relevant, he decided to tune his ramblings to the last group of people that were still listening to him, but he's never been a true believer when it comes to this white identity stuff.
    Even were this true, and I don't think Mr 'execute the central park 5' isn't a racist white nationalist at his core, he'd be one simply by pretending to be one because sooner or later you are what you pretend to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Even were this true, and I don't think Mr 'execute the central park 5' isn't a racist white nationalist at his core, he'd be one simply by pretending to be one because sooner or later you are what you pretend to be.
    In that vein, Trump could be seen as a chameleon, molding, altering and changing his political views to whatever suits his ends and directly benefits him on any given day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tendrin View Post
    Even were this true, and I don't think Mr 'execute the central park 5' isn't a racist white nationalist at his core, he'd be one simply by pretending to be one because sooner or later you are what you pretend to be.
    Man...

    That's where you get into a weird sort of "Thought Pickle".

    On the one hand, I'd agree with the "Execute The Central Park Five" take. On the other hand, white nationalism isn't really driving him to the point where he will make sure that it's white people staffing his businesses even if it winds up making him less money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    In that vein, Trump could be seen as a chameleon, molding, altering and changing his political views to whatever suits his ends and directly benefits him on any given day.
    Well, yeah.

    There is absolutely a case to be made for that the guy is totally devoid of an actual center when it comes to ideology.

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    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...oot-immigrants

    This is where you are, my american friends.
    I'm so sorry for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogwen View Post
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...oot-immigrants

    This is where you are, my american friends.
    I'm so sorry for you.
    He wants to do it so bad, but he won't order it because his whole life revolves around deniability.
    He'll just keep suggesting it until someone does it for him, they deny everything once the law gets involved.
    Whoever the GOP runs in 2024, he'll be the kind of man that will give the order. That's what the base demands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Man...

    That's where you get into a weird sort of "Thought Pickle".

    On the one hand, I'd agree with the "Execute The Central Park Five" take. On the other hand, white nationalism isn't really driving him to the point where he will make sure that it's white people staffing his businesses even if it winds up making him less money.
    You can be a "white nationalist" while still making sure the "minorities" know their place -- you don't have to be a white "separatist" to be a white nationalist.

    Constantly arguing Trump isn't exactly what he's "pretending" to be when he consistently makes stereotypical and blatantly racist statements about Muslims, African-Americans, Mexicans and others is exactly why some people didn't bother voting "against" him in the last election, while many others (like white nationalists) rallied together and voted for him vaulting him to the office of the presidency where he can now promote Muslim bans and border walls while attacking African-American athletes for taking a knee against injustice and police brutality.

    If you're still trying to argue that Trump isn't a white supremacist in both word and action, it's only because you don't want to accept the truth about America as a whole, and why the "birther in chief" was elected as president.

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    He later called O'Donnell a "loser" in an interview with Playboy, but allowed that, "The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCAll View Post
    He wants to do it so bad, but he won't order it because his whole life revolves around deniability.
    He'll just keep suggesting it until someone does it for him, they deny everything once the law gets involved.
    Whoever the GOP runs in 2024, he'll be the kind of man that will give the order. That's what the base demands.
    If he can use it as a diversion, I think there's nothing he won't do: start a war with Iran, sell your country to Russia or ask to kill mothers and babies. about babies, do we have news of the children separated from their parents at the frontier, have they been reunited or have they disappeared into sex traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogwen View Post
    If he can use it as a diversion, I think there's nothing he won't do: start a war with Iran, sell your country to Russia or ask to kill mothers and babies. about babies, do we have news of the children separated from their parents at the frontier, have they been reunited or have they disappeared into sex traffic?
    Well, last week, a carrier task group had been sent to the Gulf regarding some nebulous bullshit about Iran having stoked tensions or some other nonsense that, as far as I know, hasn't been fully explained to anyone, least of all Congress whom the Trump administration has been giving the middle finger to for weeks now. Yeah, that could well make for a juicy diversion. As for immigrant kids disappearing into the sex trafficking trade, I haven't heard anything on that score, but I wouldn't be the lest bit surprised if that hasn't already happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aja_christopher View Post
    You can be a "white nationalist" while still making sure the "minorities" know their place -- you don't have to be a white "separatist" to be a white nationalist
    What Aja said.

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