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    Default Anyone else remember when movies were fun

    I guess that makes me sound old....

    What i mean is, most movies are written to have some deep, purposeful "Message" behind them. Even today's Avenger stuff kinda go all friendy dramatic: love your coworkers etc... I suppose TRANSFORMERS skip the message serving part....

    Anyway, I think back to Raiders of the lost Ark, maybe even Star Wars, where they did stuff that lead to other stuff, the ride was fun getting there, they kicked butt in the end, and it was over. Almost NO messaged pushed on you, just a fun, entertaining ride.

    Have movie scripts gotten too serious for themselves to have fun in it?
    Maybe I'm over thinking this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydWalters View Post
    I guess that makes me sound old....

    What i mean is, most movies are written to have some deep, purposeful "Message" behind them. Even today's Avenger stuff kinda go all friendy dramatic: love your coworkers etc... I suppose TRANSFORMERS skip the message serving part....

    Anyway, I think back to Raiders of the lost Ark, maybe even Star Wars, where they did stuff that lead to other stuff, the ride was fun getting there, they kicked butt in the end, and it was over. Almost NO messaged pushed on you, just a fun, entertaining ride.

    Have movie scripts gotten too serious for themselves to have fun in it?
    Maybe I'm over thinking this?
    I'd suggest your old to be frank. Every piece of media has a message in. This "I don't want any politics/messages/social justice" wave thats been going on these last few years is idiotic and blind to history.

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    Avengers has a “love your co-workers” message?
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    Most movies good or bad have some sort of thematic message. They're not always in the foreground or necessarily well thought out, but all media is created purposefully. There might not be much of a point to consuming the media beyond the act of doing it, but it's hard to find anything entirely devoid of deeper meaning. To create a story devoid of meaning is arguably impossible. Even in cases where one creates media in which nothing can be gained from its consumption, that meaningless can always be read into.

    While I wouldn't call Raiders or Star Wars terribly deep films they present everything as being either good or evil. They feature good triumphing over evil. That is meaning, that is a message. If it was meaningless, very little would have happened in those movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SydWalters View Post
    I guess that makes me sound old....

    What i mean is, most movies are written to have some deep, purposeful "Message" behind them. Even today's Avenger stuff kinda go all friendy dramatic: love your coworkers etc... I suppose TRANSFORMERS skip the message serving part....

    Anyway, I think back to Raiders of the lost Ark, maybe even Star Wars, where they did stuff that lead to other stuff, the ride was fun getting there, they kicked butt in the end, and it was over. Almost NO messaged pushed on you, just a fun, entertaining ride.

    Have movie scripts gotten too serious for themselves to have fun in it?
    Maybe I'm over thinking this?
    Movies like Norma Rae, The Deer Hunter, The China Syndrome, Apocalypses Now didn't have a message? Shazam! and Aquaman have a message?

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    I love the current MCU movies. Ironically, the typical complaint is that they are too lighthearted most of the time.

    I'll give another example though. Back in the earlier days of television, there were shows like "Adam 12" and "Dragnet". Yes, they were as squeeky clean and corny as could be by today's standards but they focused on the story and the stories were not all some one in a million "most important case ever" plots. They were just the daily lives of cops on the job.

    One of the reasons I lost interest in Law&Order, any version, was that every case has to be some big, complex ultimate case as if these characters never experience an instant of fun or joy or happiness and never have an ordinary day on the job with some situations that are just standard daily routine that isn't the end of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    Movies like Norma Rae, The Deer Hunter, The China Syndrome, Apocalypses Now didn't have a message? Shazam! and Aquaman have a message?
    And, on the flipside, there are still comedy movies that lack any substantial message or any message at all. Of course, they tend to be movies that I hate such as the remake of "Land of the Lost" or the "Green Hornet" movie.

    But, even taking movies that have been remade, the remake of the Nutty Professor did have a substantial message. Granted it has been ages since I've seen the Jerry Lewis original. Certainly there was not as much of a message but, were I to watch it again as an adult, I suspect there probably was a message there.
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    I don't want films to be fun per se, I just want them to make me think. I saw In the Valley of Elah for the first time recently, and the way the film showcases PTSD and strips away the delusions of stereotypical American patriotism is hauntingly brilliant. I ended up thinking about the film for a long time after the credits rolled. I don't think we see nearly as many films like this anymore. It's all family-friendly blockbuster fare these days.
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    I'm 60 so I'm thinking you're prolly not older than me, and I recall movies being fun a couple months ago, most recent example being Captain Marvel.
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    Most Marvel movies to me seem pretty fun and message free. Honestly if you got a message from the Avengers I think you are over thinking it or looking for a message that ain't there.

    Also, none of the movies I've seen with the Rock in them seem to have a message (Rampage, Skyscraper, etc.)

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    Ah yes, the good ole days when movies were fun, I remember them like it was yesterday. Because it was.

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    Ummmmm if you look for it even Raiders of the Lost Ark can seem to have a message on it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    Most Marvel movies to me seem pretty fun and message free. Honestly if you got a message from the Avengers I think you are over thinking it or looking for a message that ain't there.

    Also, none of the movies I've seen with the Rock in them seem to have a message (Rampage, Skyscraper, etc.)
    In some cases though, a "message" may not be an obvious social message but just a more basic message about people. IM3 certainly deals with a human who is dealing with things beyond his natural ability to cope with, for example.
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    I see fun movies all the time. Saw several in the past few months alone.

    If you ask me, there being a message, or even some theme or development beyond just the razzle-dazzle and humor makes the film (or book, or comic, or whatever) more impactful and meaningful. Now, I do agree that proselytism in fiction can be annoying, and in many cases a crutch for poorer writing (I find plenty of religious movies generally too preachy -- and they're preaching to the choir in my case!). But fiction is a way to convey ideas and make people think. Some of the best classics were more then just "fun."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SydWalters View Post
    I guess that makes me sound old....

    What i mean is, most movies are written to have some deep, purposeful "Message" behind them. Even today's Avenger stuff kinda go all friendy dramatic: love your coworkers etc... I suppose TRANSFORMERS skip the message serving part....

    Anyway, I think back to Raiders of the lost Ark, maybe even Star Wars, where they did stuff that lead to other stuff, the ride was fun getting there, they kicked butt in the end, and it was over. Almost NO messaged pushed on you, just a fun, entertaining ride.

    Have movie scripts gotten too serious for themselves to have fun in it?
    Maybe I'm over thinking this?
    I wouldn't say you're old so much as baffinglingly wrong.

    Shazam came out last week, beyond a simple message of love those who love you I'm drawing a blank. Before that Captain Marvel's message was...um...don't judge people by their appearance maybe? Really there's nothing here that you couldn't find in movies 50 years ago.

    Honestly I think it's harder to find movies with deep, needs to be examined messages than those without.
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