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  • Faora / Ursa (insane serial killer loner)

    4 12.90%
  • Ursa / Faora (Zod's subordinate/lover)

    4 12.90%
  • Maxima

    9 29.03%
  • Lena Luthor

    0 0%
  • Car-Vex

    0 0%
  • Mala

    0 0%
  • Cythonna

    1 3.23%
  • Blaze

    0 0%
  • Livewire

    8 25.81%
  • Rampage

    0 0%
  • Mercy Graves

    2 6.45%
  • Silver Banshee

    3 9.68%
  • Red Cloud

    0 0%
  • Eve Tessmacher

    0 0%
  • Other Female Villain in the Superverse (please specify)

    0 0%
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    Default Favorite Superverse Female Villain?

    Just like the title says.

    Who is your favorite female villain / antagonist in all the Superverse? And why?

    Me: pre-COIE Faora / New52 Ursa: i.e. the sociopathic killer loner, NOT Dru-Zod's subordinate paramour (i.e. New52 Faora / pre-COIE Ursa).



    I really wish the New52 and the DCEU hadn't both swapped the names because it makes this very confusing.

    But yeah, give me the cold-blooded insane murdereress with the powers of Superman who answers to no one. She is Superman's Joker. And that thought alone is terrifying.

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    Livewire but Red Cloud is really growing on me. I did like DCEU Faora though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post

    Me: pre-COIE Faora / New52 Ursa: i.e. the sociopathic killer loner, NOT Dru-Zod's subordinate paramour (i.e. New52 Faora / pre-COIE Ursa).

    I really wish the New52 and the DCEU hadn't both swapped the names because it makes this very confusing.

    But yeah, give me the cold-blooded insane murdereress with the powers of Superman who answers to no one. She is Superman's Joker. And that thought alone is terrifying.
    I agree.

    TPTB really dropped the ball with Faora.

    The same could be said of their handling of most super-heroines and super-villainesses.

    It is a shame of DC that Superman has so few distaff foes.

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    I have never liked the Donner influence on the PZ gang. Faora was great before then. I don't think he's had any other martial artist for a good foe and she was basically like a prototype for Fist of the North Star.

    I really like Siobhan, too, because she has has level magic up to and including an instant death power. Her rebooted form in the New 52 was also good, and unlike Faora it wasn't melded with an inferior version.

    Blaze should have come back. I sort of think she's too much of a villain for Superman but if she's going to be around the dcu, it's either Clark, Spectre, or Fate.
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    Cool

    Livewire is my favorite. I love her caustic personality, unique look (especially the animated version), backstory, and powerset. She is a dynamic and fascinating character all around, IMO.
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    I have really liked Ursa/Faora in all the Superman movies. I don't know much about female Superman villains, but I like what I've seen so far. There is lots of potential.

    I don't see Clark/Superman as a very angsty or tormented hero. His main source of angst is that he can't save everyone despite his immense powers and that he is the last of his kind, so his villains should really test him in many ways (emotionally, intellectually and physically) to see how he reacts to those challenges. It's about how he grows as a person and how power can't corrupt him. He helps because he really cares.

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    So, to be fair, the Pre-Crisis Ursa / New52 Faora / current Ursa aka Zod's subordinate paramour isn't all worthless at all, just hate the confounding name problem.

    I mean, she does look pretty badass:



    My biggest beef with her is that she kinda comes off as a hench woman with no actual agency of her own, just going with whatever Dru Zod decides.

    Even in MOS, where she was unforgettable, Zod still had most of the spotlight, right up till Kal snapped his neck.

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    The fact that Superman never had much potential romance with his villains meant that he doesn't have a lot of female villains. I mean, that's kind of nonsense, isn't it. But I think Livewire is probably the most charming and fun of his female foes. I kind of wanted to put Faora, but ultimately I decided that pure and simple, I just like Livewire more.

    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    My biggest beef with her is that she kinda comes off as a hench woman with no actual agency of her own, just going with whatever Dru Zod decides.
    I basically agree with that problem. I'd like for Faora to have a bit more independence as a character. Not that she needs to go "full Harley" of course, I don't think there's ever been any indication that Zod is an abusive commander or boyfriend, or anything worth rebelling against. Rather, she could just stand to do more harm for herself.

    I kind of want her to return as the commander of Zod's former army in a Man of Steel sequel. Give Antje Traue a chance to stand out a little more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagaton View Post
    I have never liked the Donner influence on the PZ gang. Faora was great before then. I don't think he's had any other martial artist for a good foe and she was basically like a prototype for Fist of the North Star.

    I really like Siobhan, too, because she has has level magic up to and including an instant death power. Her rebooted form in the New 52 was also good, and unlike Faora it wasn't melded with an inferior version.

    Blaze should have come back. I sort of think she's too much of a villain for Superman but if she's going to be around the dcu, it's either Clark, Spectre, or Fate.
    Yeah. I mean, I don't know, I really like the movie Faora, but the fact is, turning all the Phantom Zone villains into Zod's underlings was and is a mistake in any other context. If we've locked in Faora as Zod's lover, right-hand-woman, and babymama, and I think that we have, then I'd like to see the name "Ursa" go to the serial killer character in the green jumpsuit.

    On a similar note, Quex-Ul is a great character who could stand to make a comeback in his pre-Crisis form. Not, you know, a woman, but a great character.
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    So, in hindsight, Lena Luthor probably shouldn't have been on this list.

    Outside of the cartoon DC SUPERHERO GIRLS (original + reboot), I think there's only one instance of Lena being evil:



    I think that's from the New52. She called herself Ultrawoman. Which is B.S. , because that should be Lois Lane's trademarked nickname, but whatever.

    Beyond that, nada for outright villainy. Unless the SUPERGIRL show takes a really unexpected turn, can't see it there either.

    Crap, I wish I could edit polls.

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    I would honestly say that while Lena technically still qualifies, and maybe you can add the Contessa to boot, Nasty has always been the best female Luthor. Usually I'm not into making approximate villains (like Parasite's little sister or something) but she wasn't just an aped Lex.

    But of course I say that and absolutely adore Rex, too.
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