As I recall, it was an adrenaline thing. He was trying to understand why some people, in moments of extreme anxiety or stress, can perform amazing physical feats, while he was unable to lift a burning car off his wife after an accident despite it being the biggest adrenaline experience of his life. I don't recall anger really being a part of the origin motivation, and it wasn't always a part of his transformation. Sometimes it was fear, for example. I remember an episode in particular where he transformed because a crowd at a concert went out of control and he was being trampled. He wasn't angry, just terrified.
Hulk and Thor going happens before the last scene but true. There's no reason for Clint and Tony to retire as they show up in Civil War (I guess we couldn't have Hawkeye in that film's first act for... reasons?), Wanda and Vision join the team in the third act of Ultron, and Rhodey isn't part of the team in the Lagos mission.
All that scene establishes is that Falcon is part of the Avengers, which carries onto Ant-Man and the first act of Civil War. It's a bizarre ending of Phrase 2.
I'm watching Ultron right now as part of my daily challenge ... Thor's scene reveals all the Infinity Stones and what they're housed in.
So not super useless.
"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
He says in the finale of Ultron that he's going to try to find out who is messing with the Infinity Stones and why they keep showing up.
Yes.
Thor references that in the beginning of Ragnarok. He also mentions since finding the Mind Stone, he keeps having dreams of Asgard burning, which brought him to Surtur. Which is why he wanted to bring Odin Sutur and ask him what's up, but Thor figures out it's Loki. He's been bringing Odin old weapons during his quest to find the source of the Infinity Stone manipulations and when he brought Sutur, it begins a cascade of circumstances. Loki being King screwed things up so Thor attempts to right that. Unlocking Hela with the death of Odin being the major one that took Thor off the Infinity Stone quest. So then Thor had to deal with Ragnarok.
I don't doubt that Thanos snagged the Power Stone first because he knew taking the Space Stone from Asgard would be the hardest. But Loki and Hela sure made it easier for him.
You know, re-watching the movies in order now, that scene doesn't appear that useless.
So my new list:
- The Leader setup.
- "I'm always angry."
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"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
Found the opening Monologue on YouTube he doesnt mention the stones he just says He went searching the cosmos for something that lead him to Surtur and that he keep having dreams of Asgard on fire with suture at the center. Does he mention the stones directly somewhere else in the movie? I mean yes Thors clearly having dreams because of the mind stone but he doesnt say that he just says he has dreams. None of that makes that bathtub vision scene any more relevant. Since he came into contact with the mind stones power FROM Wanda in a different scene.
Let's be honest Raganrok was probaly originally connected to Thanos and the Stones but Taika Waitti came in pitched his movie and plans changed. The original vision suggested Thanos and the stone lead to Ragnarok but really all they lead to was the half a ship of Asgardians being killed. It's not a plot hole its still can be made to line up but you can tell they're plans changed. Just like the Cosmic Cube being the Space stone. Clearly originally it was the Cube and then they decided to go another route and made stuff we already saw stones. Which worked just fine, the Aether was the only weird one but again the way they did it worked for me aswell.
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Also, Banner makes a point in Avengers that his failed suicide attempt changed his outlook considerably. So there is a credible reason why Banner has changed, having both accepted that he can't end the Hulk and not being chased by Ross for over a year. Lots of time for quiet contemplation.
For the record, I like Norton and Ruffalo's takes. I think if Marvel had been able to proceed with more Hulk solo films, Ruffalo's Banner would be more in line with the comics version. But personality shifts are not uncommon for comics Banner anyway. He had a mad scientist phase, after all, where he trained his son to kill him!
I have more difficulty with the changes to Spider-Man, but that's just because I grew up on the 616 version. I think Holland does a great job with the creative vision for Spider-Man they're selling, I'm just not that enthused by it. And that's okay--I know plenty of people for whom it's their gateway to Spider-Man and he's fueled their enthusiasm for the character.
The writers of Infinity War, who also wrote Captain America: The First Avenger revealed in an interview: "... we started with [Red Skull], 10 years ago. And he had the Cosmic Cube, which was then referred to sometimes as 'The Cosmic Cube', and we didn’t know it was one of the Infinity Stones.” In Thor: The Dark World, it's revealed that the Tesseract is in fact one of the Infinity Gems. Something they were able to do because they previously avoided calling it a Cosmic Cube.
So the answer is Marvel left it vague in order to create wiggle room for the future. The Tesseract’s design was based on the cosmic cube, and the planning for Infinity Wars did not begin until the start of Phase Two.
EDIT: For some reason, the video won't hot link to the section that talks about the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube/Space Stone. That starts at 28:48.
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"Always listen to the crazy scientist with a weird van or armful of blueprints and diagrams." -- Vibranium
I think a large chunk of the Dark World can be removed and it wouldn't change much. All I remember is a few scenes I can count on one hand that feel barely important to the rest of the MCU continuity.
Spider-Man Homecoming is another movie that feels barely inconsequential for the most part. In Civil War he could take a bunch of supers on his own, and this one made him unable to defeat a bunch of normal people he chose to mock instead. And the revelations that the core of the Chitauri can explode by being exposed to x-ray.. how many times have these cores been exposed to different kinds of rays without such damage?
As mentioned buy a few; the Iron Man suits light show near the end of Iron Man 3.
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