It should also be noted that Vader was toying with Luke.
It should also be noted that Vader was toying with Luke.
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Yeah, I'm honestly one of those guys who always thought it's nonsense to think Luke was rubbish before training with Yoda. Yeah, he was never gonna be a match against Vader but Luke was a capable fighter still during the Galactic Civil War prior to Empire Strikes Back. Kind of helps canon comics made it clear he had a sorta instructor whose ironically his enemy during that gap.
And he took out an AT-AT single handily when his entire side, barring the Chuck Norris of pilots we call Wedge Antilles, couldn't take them out by firepower. I'm now throughly convinced his training with Yoda is less refining Luke's technique and more like teach him the dangers of the dark side as Luke is growing more desperate to win the war despite his growing powers. Cause he was doing a stupid plethora amount of skills in Return of the Jedi despite cutting his training with Yoda.
Then I look back at Chirrut Imwe, who just by faith in the force did he manage to not get hit by elite troopers, thus making Jedi who trained since childhood look like know it all idiots during Order 66.
at least when vader started getting serious, he was treating luke like a chump. he found it impressive that luke could actually hold his own for a bit but still, if vader wanted luke dead, he'd be dead.
while rey, without having any on-screen saber training outside of her practicing with a rock, was able to clean house against those red guys.
Luke had at least a few weeks training with Yoda, possibly months. Plus Yoda was actually willing to teach him once he'd gotten over his initial reluctance.
What training? He didn't really tell her anything she didn't already know. That being said...
You're absolutely right. I did cross the line there and that's not on. If you're reading this moonknight11, I apologise for being a jerk.
You are of course entitled to your opinion but honestly, what have the PG's done to indicate they could pose any kind of challenge to Grievous? They have no feats. None.
This.Originally Posted by master of read
People love to use this to try and lowball Luke but the fact is Vader himself was impressed with how Luke fared (this is further shown in "Shadows of the Empire"), plus Vader didn't intend to get a face-full of vapours, get booted off a platform or get his shoulder tagged.
I mean yes, obviously if Vader had wanted to kill him he would have, but even so Luke did good in that fight all things considered.
You're absolutely right. Sorry about that.
Speaking of which:Originally Posted by master of read
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irvU...&index=21&t=0s
i know we aren't using this version of GG but i still love this scene. grievous was already a monster who was an utter jedi killer. and yet, he was count dooku, schooling him like a punk in training. this is just a testament to just how badass dooku was back then. dooku would've merc'd the PG and never used a single ounce of the force.
Even Live Action Dooku monstered all over Obi-Wan and Annie the first time they met. It took freaking Yoda showing up to make him run away.
Sure, Annie beat him in the rematch but he'd been level grinding and Dooku still did pretty good there.
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Even Live Action Dooku monstered all over Obi-Wan and Annie the first time they met. It took freaking Yoda showing up to make him run away.
Sure, Annie beat him in the rematch but he'd been level grinding and Dooku still did pretty good there.[/QUOTE]
it's mostly due to the styles of lightsaber combat at the time. saber to saber combat styles were being phased out, since a jedi was more likely to face blaster fire than a saber user. dooku, while he was still with the jedi, thought they should still teach and train in saber to saber combat and said that it would be their downfall. fast forward to AOTC and dooku was considered ones of the best duelist in the galaxy, due to his style being tailor-made for this, while younger jedi like annie and obiwan weren't trained for this. add to this his unique lightsaber, which gave him a further advantage due to the curved hilt allowing dooku to strike at odd angles, and you see why most jedi didn't want to fight dooku. only yoda's experience and own unique fighting style was a good counter to dooku's.
Not sure because in cannon he was so inconsistent
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honestly, Grievous stands a decent chance of winning even if he's all by himself, has no weapons, and has to fight them bare-handed. he's strong enough to put a several inch deep dent in the side of a space ship with a single punch. he's also strong enough to casually toss people 10-15 feet. he's strong enough where he could probably crack open the guards like a pistachio. he's also proven that he can take what would be crippling or fatal damage to normal humans and just keep fighting.
if you're giving him light sabers he plows through the guards like a lawnmower. and this is all assuming that we're using the jobber-version from the movies and the Clone Wars cartoon. the Tartakovsky version could probably solo the entire Praetorian Guards and take out Kylo and Rey at the same time.
If we ignore context, Grievous gets bodied by Gungans and is seriously threatened by a rookie with less force potential than Rey. He's not Jedi master tier at all, as his consistent record of losing shows, and he's too incompetent to use his four arms effectively unlike 2d Grievous. He however has a degree of super-strength to help him out and lightsabers so he's not at a total loss here.Beside the fact that anything from Disney Wars and TLJ in particular belongs in a septic tank, the guards are bungling idiots who lost to an untrained rookie and a guy who also lost to an untrained rookie. That's not even accounting for their magically disappearing knives or their habit of deliberately missing.
Grievous has killed seasoned Jedi Masters. So have his Magna-Guards. They'd slaughter those loser guards. Heck, the kids from SW Lego would have better odds against Grievous and his Magna-Guards.
As for what i've bolded the prequels are orders of magnitude worse about that. The menace must remain phantom after all.