UXM 16 Spoilers

[Killerbee911]

facts actually prove you wrong. wolverine, cyclops and jean were dead and the franchise struggled. look at how bad blue and gold did. in the 30-40's in sales on the charts. now, with cyclops and logan back, it's a top 10 book.

If by Top Ten you mean mean nearly exactly the same at the same point then you are right

1 1 Uncanny X-Men 1 $7.99 11/14/18 Marvel 176,125
15 18 Uncanny X-Men 2 $3.99 11/21/18 Marvel 62,320
17 22 Uncanny X-Men 3 $3.99 11/28/18 Marvel 58,282
17 22 Uncanny X-Men 4 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 59,113
20 24 Uncanny X-Men 6 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 57,475
25 31 Uncanny X-Men 5 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 51,916
27 25 Uncanny X-Men 7 $3.99 12/26/18 Marvel 49,964
21 13 Uncanny X-Men 10 $4.99 01/16/19 Marvel 52,365
23 29 Uncanny X-Men 8 $3.99 01/02/19 Marvel 51,292
29 34 Uncanny X-Men 9 $3.99 01/09/19 Marvel 46,566

3 3 X-Men Gold 1 $4.99 Marvel 114,332
16 15 X-Men Gold 2 $3.99 Marvel 62,283
18 16 X-Men Gold 3 $3.99 Marvel 57,553
24 19 X-Men Gold 4 $3.99 Marvel 52,710
33 27 X-Men Gold 6 $3.99 Marvel 48,569
20 20 X-Men Gold 5 $3.99 Marvel 54,720
20 15 X-Men Gold 7 $3.99 Marvel 53,462
28 21 X-Men Gold 8 $3.99 Marvel 46,615
29 22 X-Men Gold 9 $3.99 Marvel 44,853
31 23 X-Men Gold 10 $3.99 Marvel 43,439

[jpmst17]

If by Top Ten you mean mean nearly exactly the same then you are right

1 1 Uncanny X-Men 1 $7.99 11/14/18 Marvel 176,125
15 18 Uncanny X-Men 2 $3.99 11/21/18 Marvel 62,320
17 22 Uncanny X-Men 3 $3.99 11/28/18 Marvel 58,282

17 22 Uncanny X-Men 4 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 59,113
20 24 Uncanny X-Men 6 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 57,475
25 31 Uncanny X-Men 5 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 51,916
27 25 Uncanny X-Men 7 $3.99 12/26/18 Marvel 49,964


21 13 Uncanny X-Men 10 $4.99 01/16/19 Marvel 52,365
23 29 Uncanny X-Men 8 $3.99 01/02/19 Marvel 51,292
29 34 Uncanny X-Men 9 $3.99 01/09/19 Marvel 46,566

3 3 X-Men Gold 1 $4.99 Marvel 114,332
16 15 X-Men Gold 2 $3.99 Marvel 62,283
18 16 X-Men Gold 3 $3.99 Marvel 57,553
24 19 X-Men Gold 4 $3.99 Marvel 52,710
33 27 X-Men Gold 6 $3.99 Marvel 48,569
20 20 X-Men Gold 5 $3.99 Marvel 54,720

20 15 X-Men Gold 7 $3.99 Marvel 53,462
28 21 X-Men Gold 8 $3.99 Marvel 46,615
29 22 X-Men Gold 9 $3.99 Marvel 44,853
31 23 X-Men Gold 10 $3.99 Marvel 43,439

you're comparing uncanny x-men during the weekly run. that did not have cyclops or wolverine in it. nice try though

[Killerbee911]

you're comparing uncanny x-men during the weekly run. that did not have cyclops or wolverine in it. nice try though

Oh yeah your right my mistake Uncanny 11 and 12 did about 68,636 and 66,962 . [sarcasm] That it makes a 10 ten book for sure those numbers are going never fall I mean no X-men book ever goes down in numbers stares at numbers I just posted.[sarcasm]

[jpmst17]

Oh yeah your right my mistake Uncanny 11 and 12 did about 68,636 and 66,962 . [sarcasm] That it makes a 10 ten book for sure those numbers are going never fall I mean no X-men book ever goes down in numbers stares at numbers I just posted.[sarcasm]

numbers usually fall after the debut issue. this is issue 11 and 12 and they're selling 66,000 units. that's pretty good. consistently selling in the top ten in bleeding cools weekly analysis too. the fact remains that it is outselling the other books that didn't feature cyclops and wolverine by a decent amount so far

[ermac]

I will repeat it again X-men is a self-fulling prophecy old characters consistently get a chance to be used in good stories, therefore, fans want to see them. Characters like Emma Frost(Morrison/Bendis run), Armor(Whedon run) Magik(Bendis) can become more popular and pseudo mainstays because of use in big stories and development. It is a reasonable assumption with a good creative team telling good stories and a couple of mainstays around you can advance the popularity of some smaller characters but Moderately popular character. Those smaller characters eventually become mainstay themselves and the cycle continues. It is the reason no singular X-man is important to overall X-men success. You just a need a popular X-man around until newer X-man becomes a popular X-man. To make it simple you just need Cyclops and Jean around until Wolverine and Storm become popular you need Wolverine and Storm around until Gambit, Psylocke, Cable and Rogue become popular and so on. Cannonball, Moonstar, Warpath, Chamber, M can't become X-mainstay without proper story development as MAIN group X-man not all these characters will become mainstays but maybe one or two do. The big failure of X-men over the years is that they keep bringing back Havok, Beast, Colossus, Iceman, Banshee, Forge, Northstar, Dazzler, etc instead of a fresher character who might have more upside and giving these characters more time away so you can actually miss them and embrace them when they come back.

I don't agree that characters like Polaris, Northstar, Banshee, Forge, Iceman, etc should be retired. Most of them have decades of history yet were never truly developed in the same way as Scott, Magneto etc. Normally one writer comes and does a good story with one of them but the following run forgets it altogether. I think these B or even C-list characters have a lot of untapped potential.

Having said that, you definitely have a point when you say that bringing back those characters limits the use and development of potential new mainstays such as Moonstar, X23, Warpath, Monet. That same dynamic prevents popular characters students (New X-Men and Aaron's) from ever graduating because Beast or whatever is still an X-Men. Even more sadly is when those characters have their chance to be developed robbed in detriment of "classics" (Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue) while even the classics are underdeveloped 'cos the narrative is all Cyclops, Magneto, Logan.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I don't agree that characters like Polaris, Northstar, Banshee, Forge, Iceman, etc should be retired. Most of them have decades of history yet were never truly developed in the same way as Scott, Magneto etc. Normally one writer comes and does a good story with one of them but the following run forgets it altogether. I think these B or even C-list characters have a lot of untapped potential.

Having said that, you definitely have a point when you say that bringing back those characters limits the use and development of potential new mainstays such as Moonstar, X23, Warpath, Monet. That same dynamic prevents popular characters students (New X-Men and Aaron's) from ever graduating because Beast or whatever is still an X-Men. Even more sadly is when those characters have their chance to be developed robbed in detriment of "classics" (Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue) while even the classics are underdeveloped 'cos the narrative is all Cyclops, Magneto, Logan.

F**king seriously.

I don't know why writers can't mix it up some. Why do Scott and Logan always have to hang around one another? Why does Scott always have to be the leader?

Hell, this cast shows how writers are locked in. It could have been about Scott seeing how the next generation have grown. But instead, they're just warm bodies he orders around, don't act as foil and barely interact with.

[Omega Alpha]

F**king seriously.

I don't know why writers can't mix it up some. Why do Scott and Logan always have to hang around one another?

They haven't been on the same team for 8 years.

Why does Scott always have to be the leader?.

That's like asking "Why Tony Stark always has to be the science guy on whatever team he's on?" or "Why Strange is always the go-to guy in magic?". He's simply better and more experienced than everyone else.

Plus, in the last years, Scott was the leader either in a situation that called for the most experienced guy to be in charge (Decimation), leader of his small band of team-mates (Bendis) or dead.

[The Cool Thatguy]

They haven't been on the same team for 8 years.

They've spent decades on the same team. It's played the hell out.

That's like asking "Why Tony Stark always has to be the science guy on whatever team he's on?" or "Why Strange is always the go-to guy in magic?". He's simply better and more experienced than everyone else.

Plus, in the last years, Scott was the leader either in a situation that called for the most experienced guy to be in charge (Decimation), leader of his small band of team-mates (Bendis) or dead.

Except that Tony isn't always the science guy even when he's on the team, just as Captain America isn't always the leader, even when on the team. The current team is a good example of that

[Omega Alpha]

They've spent decades on the same team. It's played the hell out.

According to whom? They've certainly spent less time on the same team as the Big 3 of the Avengers, or the entire Fantastic Four. Or the big 3 of the JL, for that matter.

Also, if you take the last 35 years, they've really been apart longer than they've been together on the same team (just a brief period 1991-1994, then from Morrison's run to Schism).

Except that Tony isn't always the science guy even when he's on the team, just as Captain America isn't always the leader, even when on the team. The current team is a good example of that

Tony is always the science guy, even if not the only one. Like Strange is always the magic guy, or Reed is the science and leader in the FF. As for Cap. America, keep in mind that he often has his own book, so makes sense for him to step down if he's busy there;

And we've just come through from a period of a few years without Cyclops leading the X-men, and the books did not get any better.

[spirit2011]

According to whom? They've certainly spent less time on the same team as the Big 3 of the Avengers, or the entire Fantastic Four. Or the big 3 of the JL, for that matter.

Also, if you take the last 35 years, they've really been apart longer than they've been together on the same team (just a brief period 1991-1994, then from Morrison's run to Schism).



Tony is always the science guy, even if not the only one. Like Strange is always the magic guy, or Reed is the science and leader in the FF. As for Cap. America, keep in mind that he often has his own book, so makes sense for him to step down if he's busy there;

And we've just come through from a period of a few years without Cyclops leading the X-men, and the books did not get any better.

they didn't got worse either. There was good books and bad books

[Silver Fang]

they didn't got worse either. There was good books and bad books

This. like with everything. I enjoyed Bunncanny, and it wasn't doing too badly when the estimates still had it at 33,318 on the final issue.

Meanwhile, Weapon X was not one of the great books, despite having Old Man Logan, solid B-listers like Domino & Warpath, classic villains like Stryker, and even later throwing in Mystique & Deadpool for a cash-grab attempt. Yet it was still at 18,045 as of issue 27, and why it was allowed to run long enough to get that low is beyond me. lol

Again, these aren't real numbers. Only estimates with other things not yet factored in. But it's all we have to go on for sake of debate, so lets hope it's not too far off the mark.

Gold & Blue stayed in relatively decent sales spots from what I recall. I forget where Astonishing generally was. Though this forum population is contrary, a good few books did well enough if not good. Then ya had some that sank with the broader fanbase. Exiles, Strain's GenX, Weapon X got gifted a long undeserved run, and now Mr. & Mrs. X wasn't exactly booming.

[Omega Alpha]

they didn't got worse either. There was good books and bad books

The last few years were easily the worst creatively wise the X-books had, specially the Terrigen non-sense.

[spirit2011]

The last few years were easily the worst creatively wise the X-books had, specially the Terrigen non-sense.

And it had nothing to do with the lack of Cyclops. The actual Uncanny isn't much better than x-men gold or extraordinary x-men

[PsychoEFrost]

And it had nothing to do with the lack of Cyclops. The actual Uncanny isn't much better than x-men gold or extraordinary x-men

I dislike the current Uncanny run... but it is nothing compared to the utter travesty that was Gold.

[phoenixzero23]

And it had nothing to do with the lack of Cyclops. The actual Uncanny isn't much better than x-men gold or extraordinary x-men

The current run is bad but gold was so much worse and also the previos issues without cyclops/wolverine were way worse. I dropped it at issue 3 because of how boring it was.
Rosenberg is rushing many things and killing characters for shock value but it feels like his story could still have some interesting twist.