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    Default Based on the Mueller Report I believe Trump committed Obstruction of Justice.

    Here is a link to the Mueller Report. Read it and decide for yourselves: https://dataviz.nbcnews.com/projects...T0ccp7Z--kLxxo

    Based on what I read it's clear Trump committed Obstruction of Justice multiple times. What do you think?

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    I think the Senate and Fox News are basically going to declare that laws are for Democrats to be charged with and for Republicans to do the charging. Not in those exact words, but close enough.
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    Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document

    For those who want to read it and decide for themselves. Though I agree, Trump is F***
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    His campaign met with the Russians to influence the election. He repeatedly tried to stop the investigation.
    Crimes were obviously committed. they just won't be prosecuted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    His campaign met with the Russians to influence the election. He repeatedly tried to stop the investigation.
    Crimes were obviously committed. they just won't be prosecuted.
    Sad, but true.

    Hopefully, if Congress doesn't do anything (and the Republicans won't), Trump will be voted out in 2020.

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    Listening to the news (CBS, not FOX), it sounds like in some cases he may have wanted to but was advised/prevented from actually doing the obstruction.

    So we may have a case of close to but not really actually obstructing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Listening to the news (CBS, not FOX), it sounds like in some cases he may have wanted to but was advised/prevented from actually doing the obstruction.

    So we may have a case of close to but not really actually obstructing?
    In one case it actually took a person resigning due to refusal to be a party to his (criminal) demands. Not the best look for a President, but sadly he'll come away from this without a scratch most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Listening to the news (CBS, not FOX), it sounds like in some cases he may have wanted to but was advised/prevented from actually doing the obstruction.

    So we may have a case of close to but not really actually obstructing?
    Pointing a gun, pulling the trigger, but either

    a) the gun misfires
    b) Someone pulled his arm so that no one was hit

    He had intent even if he failed
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Listening to the news (CBS, not FOX), it sounds like in some cases he may have wanted to but was advised/prevented from actually doing the obstruction.

    So we may have a case of close to but not really actually obstructing?
    It was so much worse. It was obstruction. But The DOJ says you can't indict a sitting President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    President Trump obstructed justice. So did Bill Clinton.
    So you agree Trump must be impeached?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Pointing a gun, pulling the trigger, but either

    a) the gun misfires
    b) Someone pulled his arm so that no one was hit

    He had intent even if he failed
    In this case, definitely B. I've read that half a dozen aides, including James Comey, Don McGahn, Corey Lewandowski and yes, Jeff Sessions disobeyed direct orders from Trump to interfere in the Mueller probe. That's the only thing keeping Dolt45 out of serious trouble today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    So you agree Trump must be impeached?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Yes, Only if President Clinton was impeached first, yes.
    The impeachment of Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was initiated in December 1998 by the House of Representatives and led to a trial in the Senate on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice.

    He was, they just didn't find him guilty in the trial it allowed to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsubou View Post
    Yes, Only if President Clinton was impeached first, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    Pointing a gun, pulling the trigger, but either

    a) the gun misfires
    b) Someone pulled his arm so that no one was hit

    He had intent even if he failed
    This is how I see it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    This is how I see it as well.
    Exactly. If you shoot someone in the head, but the person is rushed to the hospital and the doctors manage to save the person's life, you're still going to be charged with attempted murder. It will carry a lesser penalty than murder, but it's still a crime.

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