Miguel (Cobra Kai) vs. Tommy Oliver (mmpr)

[Sharpandpointies]

To be fair, the robo t-rex kick was way later in Dino Thunder. According to the thread title, we're using MMPR Tommy which is Season 1-3.

Which is for the best honestly. Tommy got ridiculous later on.

He's still jumping 15' in the air, man.

Better?

Always.

And, aside from the main character's damage soak (he blocks a metal bat hit with his forearms and takes one across the back almost without flinching), I'm partial to this one as well.

There's a bit too much fanciness with the knife fight at the end (and parrying knife on knife), and I'm never a fan of icepick grip (which, fair enough, is personal preference), but I do like the fight.

Warning: Actual fight ugliness.

[The Chou Lives]

My memory of PR is Tommy was the best over all in the martial arts.

Miguel from what I saw in Covea Kai was a noob, learning the ropes, and is very much a puny human in comparing to mother trucking Tommy Oliver.

[Cyke]

Miguel from what I saw in Covea Kai was a noob, learning the ropes, and is very much a puny human in comparing to mother trucking Tommy Oliver.

He's an excellent protagonist, but part of his struggle is that he's such a noob. He's not even the best fighter in the show (by design).

Then there's also the scale, naturally. Both Daniel and Johnny are still superior to him and yet they're older and achier (and Ralph Macchio now is older than Pat Morita in the films). But even in their teenage primes, they were fighting on a more realistic and grounded scale than anything in MMPR.

Miguel is upper tier in his show, but his show is a much lower tier than MMPR.

[The Chou Lives]

He's an excellent protagonist, but part of his struggle is that he's such a noob. He's not even the best fighter in the show (by design).

Then there's also the scale, naturally. Both Daniel and Johnny are still superior to him and yet they're older and achier (and Ralph Macchio now is older than Pat Morita in the films). But even in their teenage primes, they were fighting on a more realistic and grounded scale than anything in MMPR.

Miguel is upper tier in his show, but his show is a much lower tier than MMPR.

Not dissing him as a Star. The developing star is a positive thing in a story. It’s just yeah, Tommy is high tier on a show that is more high tier than Miguels. That’s the issue.

[TerryAce]

My memory of PR is Tommy was the best over all in the martial arts.

Miguel from what I saw in Covea Kai was a noob, learning the ropes, and is very much a puny human in comparing to mother trucking Tommy Oliver.

Eh....Kinda? They usually show him as equal to Jason (The two notoriously could only tie with each other in matches) but Jason notes in the episode "Gung Ho" that he's stronger and faster than Tommy but Tommy's a better swordfighter.

[Cyke]

Not dissing him as a Star. The developing star is a positive thing in a story. It’s just yeah, Tommy is high tier on a show that is more high tier than Miguels. That’s the issue.

Never said you were dissing him at all. I'm just saying that the levels they operate on are really killing Miguel in this fight.

[Guy1]

[Iron_Twister]

...Yeah, Tommy would wreck Miguel, head to the Cobra Kai school and beat up everyone there, then go back in time to beat up the original Cobra Kai just cause.

...Basically Tommy is way beyond anyone in the Karate Kid franchise as a fighter.

[HATEISFOREVER]

He still beat robbie,only reason that happened was because he showed mercy.

[Guy1]

He still beat robbie,only reason that happened was because he showed mercy.

Mercy does not exist in Cobra Kai!

[BitVyper]

Weren't the putties that everyone regularly pounded on like, prreeetty strong actually? I feel like they had some wallsmashing and stuff here and there.

[Guy1]

Weren't the putties that everyone regularly pounded on like, prreeetty strong actually? I feel like they had some wallsmashing and stuff here and there.

I got all of the unmorphed fights in the MMPR Era right here: https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4322890

[TerryAce]

Weren't the putties that everyone regularly pounded on like, prreeetty strong actually? I feel like they had some wallsmashing and stuff here and there.

Yes. And in the semi canon comics (Papercutz, Marvel, and Hamilton are maybe canon to the original, and of course Boom!Comics is not canon, but in another timeline) they stomp a bunch of cops and soldiers.

[HATEISFOREVER]

...Yeah, Tommy would wreck Miguel, head to the Cobra Kai school and beat up everyone there, then go back in time to beat up the original Cobra Kai just cause.

...Basically Tommy is way beyond anyone in the Karate Kid franchise as a fighter.

You can't really say that with ones like johnny lawrence who has tons of experience and has foight off guys using crowbars and a bat.

If your going against the entire franchise then your delving into Mr. Miyagi territory,cutting glass bottle tops without knocking them over. Breaking a massive wooden house beam over his best friend to free him without causing damage.

Then just casually beating up anyone and everyone no matter how many. Tommy is very good,but Miyagi was borderline mystical at times.

[The Chou Lives]

You can't really say that with ones like johnny lawrence who has tons of experience and has foight off guys using crowbars and a bat.

If your going against the entire franchise then your delving into Mr. Miyagi territory,cutting glass bottle tops without knocking them over. Breaking a massive wooden house beam over his best friend to free him without causing damage.

Then just casually beating up anyone and everyone no matter how many. Tommy is very good,but Miyagi was borderline mystical at times.

Tommy kicked a robo tbrex to the face and it was effective. Plus he and Jason survived attacks from
Titanus And did not die at a point in original series.