Miguel (Cobra Kai) vs. Tommy Oliver (mmpr)

[Guy1]

You can't really say that with ones like johnny lawrence who has tons of experience and has foight off guys using crowbars and a bat.

If your going against the entire franchise then your delving into Mr. Miyagi territory,cutting glass bottle tops without knocking them over. Breaking a massive wooden house beam over his best friend to free him without causing damage.

Then just casually beating up anyone and everyone no matter how many. Tommy is very good,but Miyagi was borderline mystical at times.

The Rangers also have tons of experience and have fought off large groups of enemies on a daily basis.

Also, Tommy's been fighting actually mystical enemies since MMPR Season 1.

[Guy1]

Plus he and Jason survived attacks from Titanus And did not die at a point in original series.

To be fair, they were morphed when that went down.

[HATEISFOREVER]

Tommy kicked a robo tbrex to the face and it was effective. Plus he and Jason survived attacks from
Titanus And did not die at a point in original series.

Wtf? I already said not in morphed form. Unmorphed only....and from what other people said here that kick ti robo trex happened post mmpr. Im talking high school level tommy in mmpr. No ranger abilities

[big_adventure]

This rumble is not, fortunately for Tommy, a fight against Miyagi. It's against Miguel, and Tommy owns him badly.

Miyagi is another animal entirely.

[hareluyafan1]

My memory of PR is Tommy was the best over all in the martial arts.

Nope. Tommy and Jason were always portrayed as complete equals in martial arts skills. Jason even commented in an episode of "Zeo" that only Tommy was able to match him move for move.

Jason notes in the episode "Gung Ho" that he's stronger and faster than Tommy but Tommy's a better swordfighter.

True but I've always considered that to be Plot Induced Stupidity. The entire plot of "Gung Ho" was "Jason and Tommy need to learn to work together and stop trying to one-up each other." Jason "admitting" that was just to resolve the plot. Now if he'd said that in a different episode, one that had nothing to do with learning to work together, then sure, that would be fine. But as it stands it seems like Jason just said that to resolve the plot, hence PIS.

Off-topic but out of curiosity does Karate have any jumping kick techniques? I know that Taekwando is the martial art that really focuses on advanced kick techniques but are there any other styles that have aerial kicking techniques? Even relatively simple ones.

[HATEISFOREVER]

Nope. Tommy and Jason were always portrayed as complete equals in martial arts skills. Jason even commented in an episode of "Zeo" that only Tommy was able to match him move for move.



True but I've always considered that to be Plot Induced Stupidity. The entire plot of "Gung Ho" was "Jason and Tommy need to learn to work together and stop trying to one-up each other." Jason "admitting" that was just to resolve the plot. Now if he'd said that in a different episode, one that had nothing to do with learning to work together, then sure, that would be fine. But as it stands it seems like Jason just said that to resolve the plot, hence PIS.

Off-topic but out of curiosity does Karate have any jumping kick techniques? I know that Taekwando is the martial art that really focuses on advanced kick techniques but are there any other styles that have aerial kicking techniques? Even relatively simple ones.

Some styles do,when goju went to japan it incoorperated higher kicks. Kyokushin karate as well. In general the traditional okinawan styles refrained from kicking above the belt due to the stature of most men in that country.

In american parker kenpo which i study. No kick is above the belt. Tang soo do and taekwondo which are both korean do have high kicks.

[hareluyafan1]

Some styles do,when goju went to japan it incoorperated higher kicks. Kyokushin karate as well. In general the traditional okinawan styles refrained from kicking above the belt due to the stature of most men in that country.

In american parker kenpo which i study. No kick is above the belt. Tang soo do and taekwondo which are both korean do have high kicks.

Thank you very much.

[Guy1]

[The Chou Lives]

I thought the Crane Kick Daniel used is actually from Crane kingbfu.

Yeah those karate kid movies do not care for actual martial art ( reboot in China, where no Karate, it’s king fu you stupid Hollywood knuckle heads.)

[Sharpandpointies]

I thought the Crane Kick Daniel used is actually from Crane kingbfu.

It's kind of a BS move in any martial art, and I would suggest it was made up for the movie. The whole 'Stand posing on one leg' is nonsensical.

Not to say that the sort of hopping snap kick that is done is out of the question (I've seen people KO'ed by a hopping snap kick in MMA), but it's done while MOVING (with the lift of the first leg not only generating some power, but acting like a feint), not statically off a one-legged 'Pose for the Crowds'.

[Godzilla2099]

How is Tommy Oliver not winning this?

He's agile, faster, hits harder, and far better skilled than Miguel ever was.

[Sharpandpointies]

I don't think there's any question of that. We've topic drifted.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

The irony of this whole thing is that Tommy and Miguel are basically supposed to be like a year maybe two years apart. Both high schoolers