X-Men: Days of Future Past Movie (SPOILERS)

[ShadowDemon]

Great list too bad only three of them have been more than wall paper after first introduced.

Bull! Most of those characters have either had significant story arcs endemic to themselves or were majorly featured supporting characters.

You just don't want to "count" them because they destroy your argument.

And I'm sorry that I identify my fellow Irishmen as white guys with accents but please try to remember that the prejudice against the Irish was late 1800s stuff. There is probably not an Irish man alive who was discriminated against in this country.

You'd be wrong.

http://ansionnachfionn.com/2012/10/0...-stereotyping/

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/gene...sm-in-britain/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ir...t#20th_century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ir...t#21st_century

http://socialistunity.com/anti-irish...peak-its-name/

As far as the Brit in big boo bed Asian body Psylock she has never Been drawn like any Asian girl I've ever met.

Again, not big boobed at all in most portrayals in EITHER body...and you should probably check out a few Asian dating sights before you presume that Asian girls are all small/no-breasted sticks.

But keep reaching lad.

Not reaching, obtaining. Or succeeding. Or achieving.

And I'm not your "lad"

[ShadowDemon]

If you really look at the plot of DoFP, a bunch of white people in the past made soo many mistakes it ruined the future. Then in the future POC Bishop is keeping the survivors alive. Flash forward (and back) to Wolverine being sent back in time. His mission of fixing the white people mistakes will not succeed without the noble, self sacrificing POC. The mission is accomplished and the POC are rewarded with having never died horribly. In this film, the white people are the past, the POC the future. Think of how much more people would have to be offended about if the professor and magneto were recast with black actors (one has a drug addiction and is hiding his cultural identity, the other is (maybe) wrongfully imprisoned and commits a terrorist attack on the whitehouse).

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..." Signmund Freud.

[ShadowDemon]

Oh my god your post is the best post I've seen on this subject yet. Thank you for this.

[Mel Brooks Jewish accent] "Y'r velcome!" [/Mel Brooks Jewish accent]

Speaking of...Mel was quoted in an interview awhile back saying he frankly would not be allowed to make many of his most famous films today because of the number of groups who would be "offended". Never mind that Mel is a satirist and that is what satirists do: poke at people.

[Conch22]

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar..." Signmund Freud.

Unless it involves pushing the argument that these films are unfair to visible minorities, then there's all sorts of hidden meanings and slights and even if it wasn't the intention, doesn't change the result.
I doubt I'm gonna change many fans views, but it is important to look at both sides of it

[ShadowDemon]

For starters, you used the word "actually." You said, "...what the Dark Phoenix Saga actually were like." Which implies the same thing: that there is a true version. To which the film did not adhere, making it a false version.

There is in fact a "true version": X-Men #129-138 (1980). The first version presented is ALWAYS the "true version". Any subsequent presentation is either AU (Alternate Universe) or AltU (Altered Universe).

[ShadowDemon]

Marvel made some concessions and added an asian and black to an otherwise non diverse original comic book cast.

Horgun the Grim has always been portrayed visually as some sort of Mongol or Eastern European ethnic like Turkish (sometimes somewhere in between).

[Conch22]

I'd say he was more than smart enough to see right though the "diversity" propaganda about how bad marvel is about "diversity". And to also correctly see the inherent wrongness of character revisionism in the name of political/social ideology.

Next you'll be telling me you don't wanna see Morgan Freeman play the Red Skull!
Or John Cho playing Tony Stark.
I'm personally fine with Idris Elba as a Viking god, mainly because I like Elba.
But there's a line between being socially responsible and pandering to the lowest common denominator, losing sight of all artistic integrity.

[ShadowDemon]

we would not have had Internment Camps for Japanese if everyone was white.

Ahem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internm...rman_Americans

Not to mention the Native Americans were here first anyway.

Who immigrated from Asia and interbred with similar groups from Southern Europe (the Solutreans). Later on, they had additional input from (Asian) Indians resulting in the cultural inclusion of the Indic version of the swastika (in it's original context).

[ShadowDemon]

It's not "set" in Norse mythology. The Asgardians in the MCU are extradimensional beings who apparently inspired Norse mythology on Earth. They can look like whatever Marvel wants them to look like.

Tell that to the Asartu (modern Norse pagans)..who by the way are pretty pissed when their religious faith gets frakked around with in this way (and by gender-bending one of their major religious figures).

Marvel would never do what has been done to the Norse pantheon to their portrayal of Islam, or to Wicca. They have no problem leaving whites and males majorly depicted in their portrayal of Christiainity...which is almost always portrayed in a negative light (via Stryker, the Purifiers, etc).

Guess what, though? If Marvel cared about diversity, and they were for some valid reason locked into an almost entirely white cast for Asgardians, you know what they could have done? Focused on a different franchise.

Why should they NOT take advantage of some of their more popular characters just because you don't think they're "diverse" enough? Are they supposed to make films about Luke Cage simply because he's black, even if they don't think he will draw an audience?

Tell you what, do a Kickstarter, get up the funding, and negotiate with Marvel to produce these movies that YOU want to see made.

[ShadowDemon]

Unless it involves pushing the argument that these films are unfair to visible minorities, then there's all sorts of hidden meanings and slights and even if it wasn't the intention, doesn't change the result.
I doubt I'm gonna change many fans views, but it is important to look at both sides of it

"Those who hunt witches tend to find them."

"Diversity" (or lack thereof) is the Moral Panic of the 21st century.

[Ambaryerno]

...or to Wicca...

Wait, why should Marvel tread carefully around Wicca? It's a mid-20th Century invention whose only ties to REAL ancient pagan religious practices is tossing a few ideas cribbed from multiple unrelated cultures into a blender and hitting "puree," while making the rest up as they go.

[Franchise408]

I only used the word real to refer to First Class. Try Again

No Mystique was given an extended role because J-Law is playing her. Despite her powers giving the sentinels their current abilities makes about zero logical sense. I would buy it if the Sentinels just shape shifted but adapting to any power that is far more Rogue or Darwin.

Also lets stop pretending that they are not taking heavy deviations from the comics. Because we all know who the real first class was and what the Dark Phoenix Saga actually were like and we are pretty far off from both.

Really man. You wanna try again?

[Franchise408]

pathologically obsessed? for sure. Where do you see politically correct cinema???????????? Can you please mention one blockbuster movie to me that is "correct" in this regard? I don't know one single movie that does not re-produces horribly out-dated gender norms, is homophobic, racist and sexist...It actually would be great when our societies would start to be pathologically obsessed with these topics. But let's be real these discussion are far from arrived in mainstream society. Racism is real! Homophobia is real! sexism is real!

"Numerous studies have shown that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth have a higher rate of suicide attempts than do heterosexual youth. The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 30 % and 40% of LGBT youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide."

You think this is because our society is sooooo overly politically correct???

I never really understand why white straight people feel so threatened and offended by this discussion. Maybe someone can explain to me where this fatigue towards the topics gender, race and sexuality is coming from?

I'm not threatened or offended. This is a talk that needs to happen - when the time is appropriate.

What I am is frustrated by claims of sexism / misogyny / racism where there is no valid display of such things.

The X-Men films, and Days Of Future Past, have no display of the claims being made against it.

[JaggedFel]

U really wanna defend the third X-men Movie. Because I would enjoy reading that defense.

I mean really if you are doing an adaptation of something someone else already did then the second version is not the real version. Maybe it would be to say its not the original version. The fact remains its based off the source material and the movies tend take some pretty wide liberties. Compared to something like Harry Potter which does a pretty good job following the books with modifications do to time constraints obviously.

[remydat]

Not sure what the argument is about. The X-men are filled with a slew of characters many of which are white. When trying to make movies for a predominantly white audience, Marvel, Fox, or whoever else will make sure that the characters they choose look like who they think their audience is. That has been the reality of Hollywood and the comics since the medium started. It won't change until the audience changes which is why as China grows, you see Marvel or Fox making concessions to appeal to that market by making Blink Asian and shooting scenes in China.

It's not racism or sexism so much as it's business. Just like damn near every movie catered to teenage girls has some girl involved in some love triangle with two handsome white dudes with the white dudes serving no other purpose than to prop up the heroine by virtue of their pursuit of her.