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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    And who is Terrax's closest DC comp?

    Also, it sounds like Old Sentry was already high-end herald class. Did he ever fight Silver Surfer? If so, how were the fights, close or stomp?

    I get the sense that old Sentry is well beyond modern Superman (not Pre-COIE Earth-1 or stronger versions), but New Sentry might be in legit Skyfather range (non-artifact Thanos on up). Plausible?
    Ok, give Kalibak a LOT (I mean tremendous amounts) of steroids + a lantern ring and poof. Terrax. :P
    But seriously, Terrax is a legit planet buster who can hide within the event horizon of a black hole without harm. Old Sentry blocked his best energy blasts with one hand. Caught his axe casually then crushed it AND Terrax's hand all with a bored expression on his face.

    Sentry has never fought Surfer. That fight would be pretty cool. Surfer could probably find ways to damage Bob but not put him down and out. Sentry's raw durability and soak probably keep him in the game enough to flood the area with energy flares potent enough to finish Surfer.

    Sentry's a lot tougher than most base form modern Supermen, yeah. Unified Sentry is probably still floating around Thanos level tbh. Let's say he is like... 3x tougher than his old self. That's still not enough to suddenly bridge the hefty gap between the Thanos and Odin crowd. Just my opinion.
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    If I had to pick a Terrax counterpart in DC, I'd probably compare him to the Green Lantern Hannu. Both are Rocky super strong guys who theoretically should have a lot of versatility but pretty much never use it, and top tier Lanterns are fairly comparable to heralds. Hannu rarely bothers using his ring for anything less than the Anti Monitor out of warrior's pride.

    Granted, he doesn't actually have the feats to compare to Terrax planet busting or hiding in black holes, but that's not outside of the range of other Lantern shenanigans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Is Bob v2.0 really immune to mind-whammy now?

    Because in post-Crisis times, we always said that J’onn was probably one character who could actually beat him by attacking his mind at speeds far greater than Bob could perceive.
    Iron Man struck gold hacking CLOC to overwhelm his mind because he understood Sentry was constantly linked to it, his CLOC patrols to save people were his mental lifeline to at least pretend he was a hero, even when he was Norman Osborn's lackey he was doing that and there was a time during Silent War where Sentry even paid more attention to CLOC's updates than Avengers orders because he considered waiting the fighting out was the best course of action.

    But that part of his life was well behind him by the time he returned in Doctor Strange. There were still his old responsibility issues about unleashing the Void, but even that fragmentation is not supposed to be there anymore. If new Sentry, the way he was shown in the last issue, started hearing CLOC in his head, he'd probably tell him to go run a classified ad for himself.

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    In the same comic he becomes unified, he punches his way out of a mind whammy of sorts. I forget the villains name, but he was abusing psychic power and the mind prison thingy Strange gave Bob. Unified Bob just sorta yelled "nope" and broke out.
    His name was Cranio. Turned himself into a Broly version oh his old supervillain self thinking that would edge wimpy Reynolds in a purely mental landscape. Didn't work out well for him.

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    Tearing through the crimson bands of cyttorak,tearing off morgan la fey's head,then coming back from molecule man's dismemberment of him and then dismembering him back still puts sentry on a high enough lvl that it would be hard to beat

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    bet Batman will dose him with fear gas and revert him to the weak mental state he is accustomed to cuz he is the goddamned Batman. then he will probably get a heart attack fighting him but won't give up even when all the bones in his body are crushed by a addled sentry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    And who is Terrax's closest DC comp?

    Also, it sounds like Old Sentry was already high-end herald class. Did he ever fight Silver Surfer? If so, how were the fights, close or stomp?

    I get the sense that old Sentry is well beyond modern Superman (not Pre-COIE Earth-1 or stronger versions), but New Sentry might be in legit Skyfather range (non-artifact Thanos on up). Plausible?
    Old Sentry was beyond Herald level. He never fought the Surfer, but he would have won. Norrin MIGHT have figured out how to hurt the guy, but even if you atomize Bob, he just comes back. And his damage output is definitely sufficient to put Norrin down.
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    Is the bigger issue here once you clear past Superman in the DCU power hierarchy, there are no notable characters in the next two levels (herald-class thru whatever-the-class-Thanos-is-in-is-called), and you pretty much jump straight to Skyfather level?

    What about ... Ion or White Lantern?

    Guardians of the Universe?

    Classic Dr.Fate?

    Darkseid (Pre-COIE should be more than enough for New Sentry, current is ???) ?

    Does DC just not do cosmics as well as Marvel?

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    We don't really have a 'class' for Thanos (I'm not one for classes, anyway) and people of his ilk...I figure they sit somewhere between Heralds and Skyfathers.

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    More toward the Herald side than the Skyfather one. There's a pretty big gap. Classic Strange tends to be in the same area, but edging more toward the Herald side than Thanos does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    Is the bigger issue here once you clear past Superman in the DCU power hierarchy, there are no notable characters in the next two levels (herald-class thru whatever-the-class-Thanos-is-in-is-called), and you pretty much jump straight to Skyfather level?

    What about ... Ion or White Lantern?

    Guardians of the Universe?

    Classic Dr.Fate?

    Darkseid (Pre-COIE should be more than enough for New Sentry, current is ???) ?

    Does DC just not do cosmics as well as Marvel?
    Heralds isn't an as well defined a class as you seem to think it is. Most Heralds are pretty comparable to top end Lanterns like Hal Jordan, John Stewart, or Kilowag. But almost no Lanterns or Heralds have reaction speed feats, so they all lose to Superman. Silver Surfer outclasses most (all?) other heralds across the board, having better raw power, versatility, and most notably speed. Kyle Rayner has power and versatility on par with Surfer but none of the speed. But Kyle is pretty much the best Lantern before you get into inherent superhumans like Sodam Yat or Mogo.

    The Guardians of the Universe and Larfleeze occupy a Thanos ish tier, with Larfleeze being stronger than a guardian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    Is the bigger issue here once you clear past Superman in the DCU power hierarchy, there are no notable characters in the next two levels (herald-class thru whatever-the-class-Thanos-is-in-is-called), and you pretty much jump straight to Skyfather level?

    What about ... Ion or White Lantern?

    Guardians of the Universe?

    Classic Dr.Fate?

    Darkseid (Pre-COIE should be more than enough for New Sentry, current is ???) ?

    Does DC just not do cosmics as well as Marvel?
    Sentry sits in that tier where he either stomps or gets stomped. There is no comparable in the DCU. The closest I can think of is classic Larfleeze. Anything higher and you get into the high end cosmics like the Spectre, 5D imps etc.

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    Sentry has also displayed in his own miniseries and when ge worked for osborn high level speed feats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HATEISFOREVER View Post
    Sentry has also displayed in his own miniseries and when ge worked for osborn high level speed feats.
    He does, but his reaction speed feats are only somewhere in the 100x speed of sound range or something.

    His best is probably the sniper scene: he's not on site when Frank tries to shoot Normie with a high-powered Skrull left-over sniper rifle from 8 miles away. He casually flies in and intercepts the bullet with his fingers - thing is, we don't know the exact speed of the bullet, nor from exactly how far he came from. He then basically snap-dodges from there to directly in front of Frank. That's spectacular travel speed, mixed with good enough reaction speed to find Frank at that distance and fly there and stop all without smashing anything. Buuuuut, it doesn't require lightspeed reflexes or anything.

    There is also when he tangled with Iron Man, IM tries to escape, throwing everything into speed, instantly accelerating to mach 8 while Bob is somewhat distracted by something Tony does. Bob chases him down, arriving in front of Tony, in all of one panel. Really nice, but not lightspeed.

    Death Sentry has his Thor blitz: he blitzes Odinson so hard that he crosses parsecs of space in a panel, with the narration specifically stating that it is many many times the speed of light, so fast that it's futzing with reality and perception, even for someone like Thor, who has feats for flying across the universe under his own power in a few panels. But of course, that is more travel speed than reaction speed - for both of them. Sentry didn't need lightspeed reactions to blitz Thor and then accelerate, and Thor didn't need lightspeed reactions to fly through space at silly speeds. Thor has the perception feats for seeing thing outside of the solar system from Earth, and Sentry clearly has some similar stuff (such as instantly seeing Frank from 8 miles away in the feat above).
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_adventure View Post
    He does, but his reaction speed feats are only somewhere in the 100x speed of sound range or something.

    His best is probably the sniper scene: he's not on site when Frank tries to shoot Normie with a high-powered Skrull left-over sniper rifle from 8 miles away. He casually flies in and intercepts the bullet with his fingers - thing is, we don't know the exact speed of the bullet, nor from exactly how far he came from. He then basically snap-dodges from there to directly in front of Frank. That's spectacular travel speed, mixed with good enough reaction speed to find Frank at that distance and fly there and stop all without smashing anything.
    Advanced alien technology or not, Punisher would for sure not bother with anything less than a bullet as fast as a bullet for the assassination he tried to carry out. But yeah it's impressive since Sentry wasn't standing next to Osborn or even in the rally shot when the bullet speeded into the venue. Punisher didn't even know he was around and would have to deal with him until it was too late. So it means Sentry had to be somewhere off, maybe up in the sky scanning crowds, and had the time to notice the bullet moving above a crowd, say to himself Not Today, and fly in to catch it between 2 fingers.

    Death Sentry has his Thor blitz: he blitzes Odinson so hard that he crosses parsecs of space in a panel, with the narration specifically stating that it is many many times the speed of light, so fast that it's futzing with reality and perception, even for someone like Thor, who has feats for flying across the universe under his own power in a few panels. But of course, that is more travel speed than reaction speed - for both of them. Sentry didn't need lightspeed reactions to blitz Thor and then accelerate, and Thor didn't need lightspeed reactions to fly through space at silly speeds. Thor has the perception feats for seeing thing outside of the solar system from Earth, and Sentry clearly has some similar stuff (such as instantly seeing Frank from 8 miles away in the feat above).
    That comic also suggests Sentry's Silver Surfer lite feat required acceleration, since after Sentry took off far away, Wolverine felt a sonic boom before Sentry took Thor to space.

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