Where do you want the Peter and MJ relationship to go next?

[H-E-D]

My complaint is about that happening in BND in the span of a single comic book year.

I've known good people who've slept with more people in less time.

[boots]

I've known good people who've slept with more people in less time.

one year is a loooong time

[H-E-D]

Peter and Mary Jane aren't into threesomes
if you want that, I suggest getting some porno

I dunno, they have a history of being kinky.

https://www.cbr.com/knowledge-waits-...of-spider-man/

[Revolutionary_Jack]

under the desk, they only held hands because stan would never allow any sin or degeneracy to occur in the glorious dawn of marvel comics

Steranko famously snuck in an implication that Fury had sex with the countess character in his run. That was pretty risque for the time because Marvel and Lee certainly did want to play ball within the codes of that time.

On the other hand Lee wrote Tony Stark as a ladies man in that era, so it's not like he was all that prudish.

Chris Claremont was the writer who made Marvel a fairly sexy place. Followed by Frank Miller.

Marc Guggenheim said in a podcast (http://amazingspidertalk.com/2016/06...rc-guggenheim/) with Spider-Talk that the Brand New Day team tried to go to a more PG-13 place and he said that they were pushing the edge on stuff and doing things that wouldn't fly a decade later. So the sleaziness of the BND era was an intentional choice.

[boots]

Steranko famously snuck in an implication that Fury had sex with the countess character in his run. That was pretty risque for the time because Marvel and Lee certainly did want to play ball within the codes of that time.

On the other hand Lee wrote Tony Stark as a ladies man in that era, so it's not like he was all that prudish.

Chris Claremont was the writer who made Marvel a fairly sexy place. Followed by Frank Miller.

Marc Guggenheim said in a podcast (http://amazingspidertalk.com/2016/06...rc-guggenheim/) with Spider-Talk that the Brand New Day team tried to go to a more PG-13 place and he said that they were pushing the edge on stuff and doing things that wouldn't fly a decade later. So the sleaziness of the BND era was an intentional choice.

“sleaziness”

[WebSlingWonder]

“sleaziness”

I know, right? How "sleazy" of Peter. The only two that he slept that I know of are Michelle (he was "drunk") and Carlie (who was his girlfriend at the time). Black Cat doesn't count because they had already previously slept together (doesn't make it better, but still)

If we count some others:
BND girl at the club: forced a kiss on him
Lilly Hollister: forced a kiss to distract him
Norah Winters: Attracted but never dated
Betty Brant: Platonic best friends

So...how is that sleazy? I'll give you Felicia...other than that, not really? A young adult is looking/dating around? Are we pretending like that's not a thing?

[boots]

I know, right? How "sleazy" of Peter. The only two that he slept that I know of are Michelle (he was "drunk") and Carlie (who was his girlfriend at the time). Black Cat doesn't count because they had already previously slept together (doesn't make it better, but still)

If we count some others:
BND girl at the club: forced a kiss on him
Lilly Hollister: forced a kiss to distract him
Norah Winters: Attracted but never dated
Betty Brant: Platonic best friends

So...how is that sleazy? I'll give you Felicia...other than that, not really? A young adult is looking/dating around? Are we pretending like that's not a thing?

stuff is messy. dude isn’t a messiah

[Snoop Dogg]

We trusted this man, this Spider-Sex-Pest-Parker, with the Marvel brand? This depraved sexual deviant? We should've seen this coming when he abandoned a working professional to romance peers, which detracted from his educational experience. A pervert and essentially a truant. Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet May's heart would break if she knew what was raised in her home.

[WebSlingWonder]

stuff is messy. dude isn’t a messiah

Right! He's a god dang human being. I'm not understanding this point of Peter being this moral god or something like others are saying.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

We should've seen this coming when he abandoned a working professional to romance peers, which detracted from his educational experience.

Betty Brant is the same age as Peter. She was too poor to go to high school so she worked from the start and rose up the ladder on her mettle. That was a thing back in the '60s. It's less so now. Which is why the Betty-Peter romance has been phased out of adaptations in favor of Liz Allan (who Peter never even dated once).

[WebLurker]

Stupid question


Why can't Peter and MJ just marry and stay married for ever?


I mean, she is a well received character, she is the most iconic love interest of Spider-Man, she knows his double identity and is supportive of his heroics.

Peter is supposed to be a scientist nerd, not Hugh Hefner in his prime. The amount of women in his life is astonishing and, quite frankly, out of character.

Because the Powers That Be don't want to tell that story in the main comics?

(Stupid answer to an alleged stupid question, but yeah. Agree through that I do not get the aversion, but since I don't want to read the Spider-Man stories that the Powers That Be want to tell in the main comics, I guess things even out.)

[Celgress]

Because the Powers That Be don't want to tell that story in the main comics?...

in a nutshell

[Electricmastro]

You know guys, I think that I'd be more agreeable towards Peter and Mary not being married if I didn't find the reasons for them staying apart as... well, disagreeable. I suppose Peter resorting to dealing with Mephisto doesn't help with my outlook on that either. Ah well.

[Celgress]

You know guys, I think that I'd be more agreeable towards Peter and Mary not being married if I didn't find the reasons for them staying apart as... well, disagreeable. I suppose Peter resorting to dealing with Mephisto doesn't help with my outlook on that either. Ah well.

If not for Mephisto getting a win over Spidey (Big Red tricked Spidey into preemptively aborting his future daughter and maybe also erasing the missing Mayday) and the contrived nature of the narrative (how no one else in the MU could help Aunt May, I mean c'mon) I'd be okay with a single Peter. OMD has left a bad taste in my mouth for those reasons: its awesome storytelling stupidity and terrible moral message.

Edit - Love your avatar pic Electricmastro. The Fourth Doctor rocks.

[WebSlingWonder]

Personally, I think the obsession with One More Day has been one of the main things driving me away from talking with other Spider-Fans. Why? Because it's all people think about. I get it, but still. This has gone from being justified anger to an unhealthy obsession. Even people who hated The Last Jedi are somewhat gone two years later. Why can't we all do the same? Just because they won't repeal it? Reverse it? Seriously. It's incredibly strange.