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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    That would mean that Peter and MJ were married the whole time which would mean that Peter and MJ cheated on each other in the entire Post-OMD era. Peter had sexual relationships with six girls, while MJ had two guys. That would create more baggage and not less.

    The actual mechanics of reversing OMD have never interested me. It basically amounts to Data Synch on your smartphones. Add your old memories, data, bookmarks into your new device. It's not hard and so on. Can be done in a single issue if it comes down to it. It depends on what editorial want. If they want Peter and MJ married, if they want to restore the memories and not have this hassle of create some other version of a story that happened during the marriage for them to refer to.

    If you want Peter and MJ married again and want that to continue. Have the current Post-OMD Peter and MJ marry and then after they say "I do" and exchange the kisses, there's like a flash and both of them get the identical look in their eyes and "MJ I remember..." and she says, "Peter, yes. We did it. I said we'd find each other again." There done. That brings both continuities together. It's basically a "second first wedding". They go in thinking it's the first time but after it happens, it turns out to be the second time. This keeps Pre-OMD, BND, and everthing interim together. It's basically the best case.
    How does remembering their first marriage negate the memories of having sexual encounters with other people? It's the same issue...they never officially annulled, so logically they were still effectively "cheating", best way to throw that under the rug is have the characters admit what we know: from what MJ said in OMD she knew any person they became would be due to Mephisto's influence over them, so they were essentially not acting in-character, they were different people and that was of deliberate design

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    The only legit way I can think of is if Gwen Stacy comes back for real...and her resurrection being undone is the main reason Peter/MJ don't chance it since neither would want it to come at Gwen's expense.
    But if we follow Spencer and Slott's line of thinking, Gwen already came back in Clone Conspiracy, and she told Peter she always figured she'd lose him to MJ down the line. If she came back, she'd likely already be out of the way and wouldn't try to take back Peter out of respect as she's a 'shipper-on-deck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    ...But if we follow Spencer and Slott's line of thinking, Gwen already came back in Clone Conspiracy, and she told Peter she always figured she'd lose him to MJ down the line. If she came back, she'd likely already be out of the way and wouldn't try to take back Peter out of respect as she's a 'shipper-on-deck
    I hated that for so many reasons, but oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    The ideal solution is to just say it was a mind-wipe, not time travel.
    But they would still figure as "married" in any formal paper, so it would require more than a mind-wipe. Besides, everyone that was aware of the marriage should also have every memory about it nullified.

    I think the best way to undo OMD is not by negating it, but making the characters remember their lifes before Mephisto's deal (it is not necessary that everyone does, just Peter and MJ), like Revotutionary Jack said.

    Or changing the past so there was a divorce in-between OMD & everything before this new reboot. But given the lenghts that Marvel (or Quesada, depending on how you look at it) went to avoid a divorce, it seems less likely.

    Still, as time goes by, more and more generations are growing out with this Peter (that doesn't mean they won't check out old stories) and so the unmarried Peter is a version that becomes more and more known, so as time goes by, I see it less likely that OMD will be changed.

    Personally, while I would rather have a Peter who was married, I can live up with his current status. I don't think of OMD while reading Kraven's Last Hunt just as I don't think in Doomsday Clock or Before Watchmen when I'm reading Watchmen, and while I don't like the concept of OMD, I think Slott did a fine job in what I've read of his Spider-Man at least. I'm planning on reading more Slott and Spencer eventually, but currently I'm focusing in some older stories
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubistian View Post
    ....Still, as time goes by, more and more generations are growing out with this Peter (that doesn't mean they won't check out old stories) and so the unmarried Peter is a version that becomes more and more known, so as time goes by, I see it less likely that OMD will be changed...
    A salient point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubistian View Post
    Or changing the past so there was a divorce in-between OMD & everything before this new reboot. But given the lenghts that Marvel (or Quesada, depending on how you look at it) went to avoid a divorce, it seems less likely.
    Are we sure about that? So far Into The Spider-Verse and now Life Story have embraced the concept of divorcing Peter Parker, in some cases to great acclaim.

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    I see them getting Married again, (or finally with details from One Moment in Time, which was the in universe reason for them not getting married then......), if One More Day won’t get retconned then just slowly bring things around (after Mephisto loses his claim on their love for some reason)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    Not for the daily strip writers. They always had MJ involved as much as they could due to the Parkers always needing to travel somewhere due to her occupation or the fact they could always afford a holiday together, the last strip storyline saw her teaming with Luke Cage after Peter fell victim to Killgrave.
    There are some differences with the medium. The comic strip Spider-Man basically has about five adventures an year, and isn't meant to be reread, so coincidences are more accepted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chubistian View Post
    But they would still figure as "married" in any formal paper, so it would require more than a mind-wipe. Besides, everyone that was aware of the marriage should also have every memory about it nullified.

    I think the best way to undo OMD is not by negating it, but making the characters remember their lifes before Mephisto's deal (it is not necessary that everyone does, just Peter and MJ), like Revotutionary Jack said.

    Or changing the past so there was a divorce in-between OMD & everything before this new reboot. But given the lenghts that Marvel (or Quesada, depending on how you look at it) went to avoid a divorce, it seems less likely.

    Still, as time goes by, more and more generations are growing out with this Peter (that doesn't mean they won't check out old stories) and so the unmarried Peter is a version that becomes more and more known, so as time goes by, I see it less likely that OMD will be changed.

    Personally, while I would rather have a Peter who was married, I can live up with his current status. I don't think of OMD while reading Kraven's Last Hunt just as I don't think in Doomsday Clock or Before Watchmen when I'm reading Watchmen, and while I don't like the concept of OMD, I think Slott did a fine job in what I've read of his Spider-Man at least. I'm planning on reading more Slott and Spencer eventually, but currently I'm focusing in some older stories
    Having the characters remember what they did pre-OMD is probably the easiest solution.

    The likelihood of a reversal is a complex question. I think it'll happen if they decide to bring the classic Marvel Universe to an end, which might be necessary with a world built on the idea that stories published in the 60s happened about a decade ago.

    The success of Miles Morales also makes it less essential to have the Peter Parker Spider-Man be one of the younger Marvel heroes. On the flip side, the films and TV shows probably aren't going to go with the marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    Are we sure about that? So far Into The Spider-Verse and now Life Story have embraced the concept of divorcing Peter Parker, in some cases to great acclaim.
    Into the Spider-Verse has Burrito Spider-Man as a supporting character, rather than the lead. Life Story is a mini-series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    How does remembering their first marriage negate the memories of having sexual encounters with other people? It's the same issue...they never officially annulled, so logically they were still effectively "cheating", best way to throw that under the rug is have the characters admit what we know: from what MJ said in OMD she knew any person they became would be due to Mephisto's influence over them, so they were essentially not acting in-character, they were different people and that was of deliberate design



    But if we follow Spencer and Slott's line of thinking, Gwen already came back in Clone Conspiracy, and she told Peter she always figured she'd lose him to MJ down the line. If she came back, she'd likely already be out of the way and wouldn't try to take back Peter out of respect as she's a 'shipper-on-deck
    I did not read Clone Conspiracy because I stopped reading Slott and the word Clone with Spider-Man is a bad combination for me. I just read the Wikipedia version of the story. lt almost reminds me of The Frighteners with Michael J. Fox where he dies and goes to heaven, but his wife sends him back to be with Trini Alvarado. The fact Gwen was not angry with Pete and feels he is best off with MJ is interesting. Maybe that can actually happen with Pete?
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    I think the perfect example of what a reinstated marriage would look like would be Superman Reborn, because that's the most likely direction they could go. And even then not as confusing because you don't have to worry about the "fusing of two alternate universe" selves. It would essentially be the equivalent of a snap. And as Superman Reborn shown, no matter how confusing the actual execution ended up being, the story and everything that went on with it afterward turned out really successful, so there's precedent right there. (*puts on tin foil hat* Maybe that's why they brought Patrick Gleason onto ASM )
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    influenced by her acting and modelling circles, mj introduces polyamory to peter and boy does he like it
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    Quote Originally Posted by boots View Post
    influenced by her acting and modelling circles, mj introduces polyamory to peter and boy does he like it
    People have suggested this on the board before.

    But, you know, seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck View Post
    People have suggested this on the board before.

    But, you know, seriously.
    my lack of emoji might see my lumped into that category

    though iíve only seen people try to forcibly interpret peterís post OMD as some sort of eyes wide shut rampage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inversed View Post
    I think the perfect example of what a reinstated marriage would look like would be Superman Reborn, because that's the most likely direction they could go. And even then not as confusing because you don't have to worry about the "fusing of two alternate universe" selves. It would essentially be the equivalent of a snap. And as Superman Reborn shown, no matter how confusing the actual execution ended up being, the story and everything that went on with it afterward turned out really successful, so there's precedent right there. (*puts on tin foil hat* Maybe that's why they brought Patrick Gleason onto ASM )
    With Superman, and DC...the issue isn't the same as in Marvel. Superman in any comics continuity since the Silver Age is not continuous to the characters that Siegel and Shuster originated. DC have always preferred creating their own Ultimate Universe(s) and making that the default version and that's worked so well that people don't call Silver Age Superman, or Post-Crisis Superman, or New-52 (well okay him for sure)...as ultimate versions. It doesn't actually matter in a global sense that the New 52 Superman and Lois aren't the main romance, that New 52 Lois ratted out his identity...at the end of the day neither of those two characters are continuous to Post-crisis Superman and that was the case from the start. The Superman and Lois who endured Doomsday and married and saw Luthor become POTUS is absolutely not and never these characters.

    Marvel however insists that the 616 continuity since Lee and Ditko and Kirby is unblemished and continuous. That will be the case since the end of superhero comics mag business. DC in its first 50 years (1938-1988) oversaw two reboots (Silver Age, COIE). Marvel in its first 50 years have done so such thing. So what happens is that the continuity actually alters the stories published in the 20 years and changes the stories outright and that basically creates problems and issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by boots View Post
    though iíve only seen people try to forcibly interpret peterís post OMD as some sort of eyes wide shut rampage
    Bad example. In EWS, Tom Cruise's character doesn't actually go ahead and cheat on his wife. He has sex fantasies and temptations but he doesn't go ahead and do it for real.

    In any case, Erik Larsen himself pointed out that without an actual divorce and resolution, Peter can be considered to be cheating on Mary Jane post-OMD. And since he's had more relationships in that time than she did...it does look like he's coping with "single life" better. None of MJ's relationships are long term or lasting or shown as fulfilling and happy. Whereas Peter, at least in the pages, was happy with Carlie until it ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post

    Bad example. In EWS, Tom Cruise's character doesn't actually go ahead and cheat on his wife. He has sex fantasies and temptations but he doesn't go ahead and do it for real.

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    eh, i haven’t even seen eyes wide shut. i was referring to the creepy orgy party scene that’s the famous go to reference for everyone with that film

    rev, not everything is a literal analogy to be be pored over with a monocle and a fistful of adderall. it’s a bit of conversational pop culture short hand. if it’s a bad example for you, please replace “eyes wide shut” with “pornhub” or “brazzers”, whichever takes your fancy
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    Quote Originally Posted by boots View Post
    eh, i haven’t even seen eyes wide shut. i was referring to the creepy orgy party scene that’s the famous go to reference for everyone with that film

    rev, not everything is a literal analogy to be be pored over with a monocle and a fistful of adderall. it’s a bit of conversational pop culture short hand. if it’s a bad example for you, please replace “eyes wide shut” with “pornhub” or “brazzers”, whichever takes your fancy
    I genuinely struggle with that sometimes. I tend to use references I'm familiar with completely so I don't grapple that some cases aren't really movies but a shorthand for something apart from the movie. I use urban dictionary a fair amount of time as it is.

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