Seriously how can anyone support Donald Trump?

[Farael the Fallen]

In this tread I am seriously asking this question. Seriously how can anyone support Donald Trump? In my opinion he is the worst US President of all time. He has an approval rating of 37%, but to me even that percentage is too high. I also see a lot of people cheering him at his rallies that US tax payers are paying for. Can anyone answer this question?

[SquirrelMan]

Well, the rallies are one thing.

But the inauguration showed that a lot of his supporters seem to be virtual nobodies.

aka bots.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

He's not even the worst of the last 3 Presidents. Bush was so much more worse and destructive it's not even funny.

-I firmly believe the Iraq War will go down as the worst foreign policy decision since Vietnam. That is on Bush.
-The 2008/9 Recession was the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. That happened under Bush and his silly tax cuts and not seeing the forest for the trees because his buddies were getting rich.
-The worst attack on US Soil will probably go down as either Pearl Harbor or 9/11. 9/11 was largely on Bush ignoring his intelligence briefings.
-From a freedom's standpoint the Patriot Act and the NSA's increased roles were some of the biggest breaches on personal liberties. Happened under Bush.
-The response to Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst handlings of a natural disaster in this countries history. This was again Bush.

Those were all hallmark mistakes that will go down as the worst of every major category in policy in this countries history.

Trump for as bad as he is, hasn't made a mistake as monumentally bad as any of those. He's worsened already bad situations. But the biggest downside to Trump is his rheotric and how it fuels hatred and how it is alienating allies. But I think that can be repaired by getting a grown up back in the room. Bush was a grown up making grown up mistakes that were costly.

As far as Trump, quite frankly a big reason is he dog whistles to a certain segment of the country that doesn't really get catered to. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

[Tami]

He's not even the worst of the last 3 Presidents. Bush was so much more worse and destructive it's not even funny.

-I firmly believe the Iraq War will go down as the worst foreign policy decision since Vietnam. That is on Bush.
-The 2008/9 Recession was the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. That happened under Bush and his silly tax cuts and not seeing the forest for the trees because his buddies were getting rich.
-The worst attack on US Soil will probably go down as either Pearl Harbor or 9/11. 9/11 was largely on Bush ignoring his intelligence briefings.
-From a freedom's standpoint the Patriot Act and the NSA's increased roles were some of the biggest breaches on personal liberties. Happened under Bush.
-The response to Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst handlings of a natural disaster in this countries history. This was again Bush.

Those were all hallmark mistakes that will go down as the worst of every major category in policy in this countries history.

Trump for as bad as he is, hasn't made a mistake as monumentally bad as any of those. He's worsened already bad situations. But the biggest downside to Trump is his rheotric and how it fuels hatred and how it is alienating allies. But I think that can be repaired by getting a grown up back in the room. Bush was a grown up making grown up mistakes that were costly.

As far as Trump, quite frankly a big reason is he dog whistles to a certain segment of the country that doesn't really get catered to. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

The Deadly Consequences of Dog-Whistle Politics

Trump's dog whistles have been cited as factor in the rise or White Supremacist terrorism the world over. Yesterday's shooting was just another example. People are dying because of this. And you think it's not so bad?

[BruceWayneJr.]

His supporters enjoy that he "triggers" groups and people that they've already been trained to demonize by right wing media over the past three decades.

They also recognize that he has power over shaping the Supreme Court, which opens the door to changing laws they don't agree with like abortion and minority rights. The ends justify the means as far as the right wing is concerned.

[MajorHoy]

Another thing in Trump's "favor" these days is that there seem to be quite a few far-left politicians trying to become the voice of the Democrats these days, so people in-between the two extremes may have to lean towards the right if they are more unhappy with the far left.

[TriggerWarning]

You have to separate what Trump says from what he actually does as they are two different things. Policy wise he isn't nearly as bad as the unhinged on the left make him out to be. Its what he says and how he says it that makes so many on the left get unhinged but thats also what many like about him too because they see it as for once a president is being honest instead of using political doublespeak or shifting their views with the wind to please their audience as recent candidates like Hilary Clinton and Mitt Romney would do.

And as KnightoftheLake said Trump is nowhere near as bad as George W Bush.

[Gray Lensman]

The Deadly Consequences of Dog-Whistle Politics

Trump's dog whistles have been cited as factor in the rise or White Supremacist terrorism the world over. Yesterday's shooting was just another example. People are dying because of this. And you think it's not so bad?

I think he's just saying not so bad as Dubya - the consequences of his presidency are still being felt today.

How long the consequences of Trump will be felt is up for debate - I think the alienation of allies and cozying up to traditional adversaries will be felt long after he leaves office, and his turning the wheels of government into a force of political retribution will as well.

[4saken1]

He's not even the worst of the last 3 Presidents. Bush was so much more worse and destructive it's not even funny.

-I firmly believe the Iraq War will go down as the worst foreign policy decision since Vietnam. That is on Bush.
-The 2008/9 Recession was the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. That happened under Bush and his silly tax cuts and not seeing the forest for the trees because his buddies were getting rich.
-The worst attack on US Soil will probably go down as either Pearl Harbor or 9/11. 9/11 was largely on Bush ignoring his intelligence briefings.
-From a freedom's standpoint the Patriot Act and the NSA's increased roles were some of the biggest breaches on personal liberties. Happened under Bush.
-The response to Hurricane Katrina will go down as one of the worst handlings of a natural disaster in this countries history. This was again Bush.

Those were all hallmark mistakes that will go down as the worst of every major category in policy in this countries history.

Trump for as bad as he is, hasn't made a mistake as monumentally bad as any of those. He's worsened already bad situations. But the biggest downside to Trump is his rheotric and how it fuels hatred and how it is alienating allies. But I think that can be repaired by getting a grown up back in the room. Bush was a grown up making grown up mistakes that were costly.

As far as Trump, quite frankly a big reason is he dog whistles to a certain segment of the country that doesn't really get catered to. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Many of these things were Bush's response to things that happened while he was President, but were not a direct result of him being President. He might be judged harshly for how he handled them, but I highly doubt Trump would have handled them in a better manner. In fact, I can see these things being far more disastrous had he been President at the time! Imagine the mass murders of Muslims by white nationalists that would have occurred after a 9/11 event. Imagine no deals being considered that would have helped get us out of a recession because Trump was too busy throwing a fit that things weren't going his way. Imagine Trump's response to Katrina consisting of throwing paper towels to the crowds of those in need of help.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Many of these things were Bush's response to things that happened while he was President, but were not a direct result of him being President. He might be judged harshly for how he handled them, but I highly doubt Trump would have handled them in a better manner. In fact, I can see these things being far more disastrous had he been President at the time! Imagine the mass murders of Muslims by white nationalists that would have occurred after a 9/11 event. Imagine no deals being considered that would have helped get us out of a recession because Trump was too busy throwing a fit that things weren't going his way. Imagine Trump's response to Katrina consisting of throwing paper towels to the crowds of those in need of help.

You can't go by what if's.

Bush could have elected not to lie to the country and go into a meaningless war we can't win. That's on him.

Bush could have taken the intellgence on Bin Laden seriously. That's on him.

Bush could have not fucked with the economy and regulated more to correct the problem in the housing market. They played oblivious. That's on him.

The response to Katrina is on him.

When it's said and done the buck stopped with him on those things and he was responsible.

[Kyer]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

[Malvolio]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

So we shouldn't trust government, but we should trust a businessman who's filed for bankruptcy, what is it? four times? Trust a businessman who has a reputation for not paying his partners? Come on.

Oh, and BTW, I think we can excuse Obama for thinking that people wouldn't want to keep shitty health care plans. But I guess when a plan is cheap and you don't know how shitty it really is because you've never filed a claim on it for a catastrophic illness, you won't like when you have to pay a little more for a plan that offers better coverage.

[Powerboy]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

My take on Obamacare is that what Obama wanted was national health care which the Republicans don't want and blocked every step of the way. Obama had to compromise it again and again until what we ended up with was a convoluted imitation of what he wanted. Ironically, what we ended up with was essentially Dolecare. This was the plan Bob Dole's campaign was proposing in 1996 and the Republicans were supporting it. Obama dusted it off, changed it a little and essentially threw it at the Republicans with the idea that they would look like hypocrites to turn it down since it was essentially their plan. In fact, what they were criticizing every step of the way was the same plan the Republicans would have implemented had Dole won.

Even that thing about keeping your plan was intended as yet another compromise to get national health care through, a compromise that would have made it impossible for it to work.

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[ZombieHavoc]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

If that one thing from Obama bothered you enough to vote for one of the country's worst politicians in 2016, I would be foaming at the mouth if I were you.

Trump and his lies and corruption have done you a great disservice.

[4saken1]

You can't go by what if's.

Bush could have elected not to lie to the country and go into a meaningless war we can't win. That's on him.

Bush could have taken the intellgence on Bin Laden seriously. That's on him.

Bush could have not fucked with the economy and regulated more to correct the problem in the housing market. They played oblivious. That's on him.

The response to Katrina is on him.

When it's said and done the buck stopped with him on those things and he was responsible.

I understand. Not trying to give Bush a pass by any means. Just saying we don't have an accurate comparison because Trump hasn't really been subjected to these same catastrophes. Under the same circumstances, I think the public would be able to see just how much more of a ****-up Trump really is.