Seriously how can anyone support Donald Trump?

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He makes **** up for his deplorable followers to get mad about.

And I am working class, so don't come at me with that 'class division' bullshit.

Bull? So tell me what keeps you from identifying with your class? Is it not that Liberal Capitalists are happy to distract you with hate and anti-hate to support their maintenance of a cheap labor market? I agree the crime and threat rhetoric of his to speaks to a segment of the Right but it seems foolish to concede an entire class reality to them as BULLSHIT.

Is healthcare supposed to be a better answer to class issues than work and wages? I call bullshit on that distraction.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Bull? So tell me what keeps you from identifying with your class? Is it not that Liberal Capitalists are happy to distract you with hate and anti-hate to support their maintenance of a cheap labor market? I agree the crime and threat rhetoric of his to speaks to a segment of the Right but it seems foolish to concede an entire class reality to them as BULLSHIT.

Is healthcare supposed to be a better answer to class issues than work and wages? I call bullshit on that distraction.

If you're not healthy, then you can't work and support your family. That makes healthcare an important issue. And if you think for more than one nanosecond that Trump cares about the working class, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

[Scott Taylor]

He doesn't even understand how umbrellas work. Or punctuation.

Its hard to believe now, looking at the internet on any given day, but there was a time when that was far less common and stood out.

[mogwen]

Hi everybody!
I'm french and for me Trump is a symptom of the trend of the moment in our western democracy. Isolation and autoritarism. You can see it in Brexit, Mme LePen in France, Mr Salvini in Italy ot Mr Orban in Hungary. The world is turning Far-right and I think it's a syndrom of the beginning of century. Just like the 20th century. We never learn from history.
Plus I think a lot of people in US still suffer from PTSD post 9/11.
And Trump offers simple answers to difficult questions, that's really tempting.

[ZombieHavoc]

And Trump offers simple answers to difficult questions, that's really tempting.

Yeah, no one's gonna accuse us of being very bright.

[mogwen]

Yeah, no one's gonna accuse us of being very bright.

Of course, but it appeals to a lot of people in a new century where everything is so complex, people want simple answers. Trump gives them a target: the other.
And I'm day by day more convinced he will win in 2020 because he will cheat again. He only knows cheating, even in Golf! And since his party depends on him they will let him do. And the Supreme court will close its eyes.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

i predict that a lot of people will distance themselves from Trump after he's out of office. only the hardcore deplorables will remain.

That's the best thing about Trump for Republicans. They can use him to do all the damage they want, then when he leaves they can all say "well he kinda just hijacked the party and we couldn't stop him and he was never really an established Republican, so don't blame us".

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Many of these things were Bush's response to things that happened while he was President, but were not a direct result of him being President. He might be judged harshly for how he handled them, but I highly doubt Trump would have handled them in a better manner. In fact, I can see these things being far more disastrous had he been President at the time! Imagine the mass murders of Muslims by white nationalists that would have occurred after a 9/11 event. Imagine no deals being considered that would have helped get us out of a recession because Trump was too busy throwing a fit that things weren't going his way. Imagine Trump's response to Katrina consisting of throwing paper towels to the crowds of those in need of help.

You can't go by what if's.

Bush could have elected not to lie to the country and go into a meaningless war we can't win. That's on him.

Bush could have taken the intellgence on Bin Laden seriously. That's on him.

Bush could have not fucked with the economy and regulated more to correct the problem in the housing market. They played oblivious. That's on him.

The response to Katrina is on him.

When it's said and done the buck stopped with him on those things and he was responsible.

[Kyer]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

[4saken1]

You can't go by what if's.

Bush could have elected not to lie to the country and go into a meaningless war we can't win. That's on him.

Bush could have taken the intellgence on Bin Laden seriously. That's on him.

Bush could have not fucked with the economy and regulated more to correct the problem in the housing market. They played oblivious. That's on him.

The response to Katrina is on him.

When it's said and done the buck stopped with him on those things and he was responsible.

I understand. Not trying to give Bush a pass by any means. Just saying we don't have an accurate comparison because Trump hasn't really been subjected to these same catastrophes. Under the same circumstances, I think the public would be able to see just how much more of a ****-up Trump really is.

[Malvolio]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

So we shouldn't trust government, but we should trust a businessman who's filed for bankruptcy, what is it? four times? Trust a businessman who has a reputation for not paying his partners? Come on.

Oh, and BTW, I think we can excuse Obama for thinking that people wouldn't want to keep shitty health care plans. But I guess when a plan is cheap and you don't know how shitty it really is because you've never filed a claim on it for a catastrophic illness, you won't like when you have to pay a little more for a plan that offers better coverage.

[Tendrin]

So we shouldn't trust government, but we should trust a businessman who's filed for bankruptcy, what is it? four times? Trust a businessman who has a reputation for not paying his partners? Come on.

Oh, and BTW, I think we can excuse Obama for thinking that people wouldn't want to keep shitty health care plans. But I guess when a plan is cheap and you don't know how shitty it really is because you've never filed a claim on it for a catastrophic illness, you won't like when you have to pay a little more for a plan that offers better coverage.

And we'd all have been paying less were it not for deliberate, targetted REpublican sabotage designed to destabilize markets, deny access to Medicaid, and create premium increases, but I guess we can fault Obama for that too.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

So, you cast your lot with a egomaniacal reality show host who's already shown how horribly inept he's been when it comes to running a government. If you've paid any attention to the way he's screwed up his business empire, including bankrupting casinos, then you'd see he was in NO FUCKING WAY qualified to be president.

I understand. Not trying to give Bush a pass by any means. Just saying we don't have an accurate comparison because Trump hasn't really been subjected to these same catastrophes. Under the same circumstances, I think the public would be able to see just how much more of a ****-up Trump really is.

We've already seen glimpses into Trump's ineptitude with his hamfisted responses to the Puerto Rico hurricane, the California wildfires and his blatantly unconsciable suckup to the Saudi government in the aftermath of their clear cut involvement in the horrific murder of journalist Jamal Khasshogi.

[Powerboy]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

My take on Obamacare is that what Obama wanted was national health care which the Republicans don't want and blocked every step of the way. Obama had to compromise it again and again until what we ended up with was a convoluted imitation of what he wanted. Ironically, what we ended up with was essentially Dolecare. This was the plan Bob Dole's campaign was proposing in 1996 and the Republicans were supporting it. Obama dusted it off, changed it a little and essentially threw it at the Republicans with the idea that they would look like hypocrites to turn it down since it was essentially their plan. In fact, what they were criticizing every step of the way was the same plan the Republicans would have implemented had Dole won.

Even that thing about keeping your plan was intended as yet another compromise to get national health care through, a compromise that would have made it impossible for it to work.

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[ZombieHavoc]

I'll take Trump (who I voted for while holding my nose even as I considered for the first time not voting at all) over Obama "If you like your... you can keep your... Period." Nice looking guy, smooth talker like a used-car salesman from a university, typical politician:
https://www.trueactivist.com/crimina...ng-presidency/

Don't trust big government no matter what 'animal' is leading the pack any given year. The bigger it gets the more corrupt it gets. That's been a known bit of wisdom for a long time: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That also applies for corruption that is not quite at an absolute level yet.

If that one thing from Obama bothered you enough to vote for one of the country's worst politicians in 2016, I would be foaming at the mouth if I were you.

Trump and his lies and corruption have done you a great disservice.