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    This is why I wonder what if the two teamed up? With the fact she is on earth and it's never clean where she gotten her powers. What if she got those powers from Eviless? I just want a space store. We have Osira
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    This is why I wonder what if the two teamed up? With the fact she is on earth and it's never clean where she gotten her powers. What if she got those powers from Eviless? I just want a space store. We have Osira
    I'm not a big fan of making everyone in a hero's rogue gallery connected. Once and a while it's nice, but I think Saturna and Eviless cover different areas of villainy to explore. I do like it when a couple of villains come together and clash or have a rivalry or find themselves as friends through some kind of connection. (E.G. Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn at their best and most interesting.)

    My takes on Osira and Eviless are that they're extraterrestrials, but very different and with different interests in terms of destroying Wonder Woman and/or the Amazons.

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    I like the idea of villains knowing each other, and maybe being friends. One of the coolest thing about Flash is how his rogues actually have a bar where they sit around and talk about how much they hate him.

    The JLU ep where they had Flash and Orion as a buddy cop duo was one of the best.

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    It would certainly make sense for some villains to be familiar with one another and even friendly. For example golden age Zara and Doctor Poison would probably hit it off with their overlapping specialties. And Zara was shown getting along well with Hypnota.

    That said, I also like the idea of villains not necesarily getting along. I mean these are not all superheroes with shared goals and united by a common cause. I can easily see the likes of Doctor Psycho being bitterly at odds with someone like Circe.

    Villains interacting in general though is just awesome because it fleshes out the villains and gives you a new look at them by their interactions with one another and a better understanding of how they view themselves

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    Pretty much agree. The trend of having a single Big Bad empowered every single villain is to me lazy storytelling which also diminishes the way that different antagonists can emphasise and put focus on different aspects of the protagonist.

    In Diana's case, Ares, Doctor Psycho, Circe, and Cheetah are wildly divergent in how they view her, and how she views them. I can see Doctor Psycho try to use Cheetah against Diana, but he'd be holding a tiger by the tail, that could turn against him at any moment.
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    Im kinda dissappointed that the Duke of Deception wound up being dropped in the modern era. It would have been interesting if they kept him as Doctor Psychos origin for his powers just to see a writer really play with how Doctor Psycho would react to discovering that his powers and every crappy moment in his life were all brought about by a god who made the mortal into his pawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Mittens View Post
    Im kinda dissappointed that the Duke of Deception wound up being dropped in the modern era. It would have been interesting if they kept him as Doctor Psychos origin for his powers just to see a writer really play with how Doctor Psycho would react to discovering that his powers and every crappy moment in his life were all brought about by a god who made the mortal into his pawn.
    It's a bit odd, but people seem to not like god-tier tricksters as much as they used to.

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    I can't see Circe ever working in a group all the time. Cheetah from time to time. I wonder Villiany Inc and Godwatch can be the same group with different branches.
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    If WW writers/editors have no plan for Queen Clea's return, I would not mind seeing Cale ('Clea' re-ordered) made an ancestor of hers. She might reveal some moderately superhuman strength, speed AND resistance to injury that she attributes to her recently discovered, Venturian ancestry. I don't care to see Clea throwing skyscrapers at people, but wouldn't mind her knocking the Styx out of Diana, once in a while...

    Just to keep things interesting. Controversy!!!
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    Interesting due to the fact of clea's involvement with the oceans or Poseidon's trident why not have a crossover with Aquaman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Interesting due to the fact of clea's involvement with the oceans or Poseidon's trident why not have a crossover with Aquaman.
    Or a tie to Mer-Boy, Diana's childhood companion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Interesting due to the fact of clea's involvement with the oceans or Poseidon's trident why not have a crossover with Aquaman.
    It's like there's an editorial mandate that only Aquaman gets to have rogues that are Atlanteans.... which doesn't make sense to me.

    I'd love it if Cale got revealed to be a descendant of renegade Atlanteans. She can be more Human than Atlantean, and thus have only a pale imitation of Aquaman's powers. IE she's like 10% as strong and tough as WW, but can breathe underwater, and that's about it. By normal people standards that's still a lot though. But she knows her powers aren't enough and enhances them with weaponry, and amassed a fortune through knowing things that normal people don't. IE, she sells things that look like Human tech but have design principles based on Atlantean tech.

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    I mean I always thought the oceans would have 7 kingdoms and Aqauman is the king of all the seven kingdoms. Clea was once suppose to be queen. Now in terms of making her a great villain she should steal from the Amazons artifacts. Now for her to be Cale’s other people can be a few other things like Clea could have left weapons to her descendants? She did have s daughter. Not only that but what if her kingdoms somehow just fellow from the face of the earth. That there is no seventh kingdom?
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    How old is Clea? Clea was an adult in the 1940s. that's more than long enough for her to have grandchildren.

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    It's never been stated how old she is. She could be in her mid to late 20s. I mean going with the golden age she already has a daughter. So the daughter would be the one who has children. So how do they get to the Earth? I wonder what if Clea was Cale's mother? That she found a way to have a long lifespan?
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