Frank Castle is a Supervillain: Change my mind!!!!!!!!!

[Ichijinijisanji]

though I will say I hated that he killed stilt man when he was trying to change
or that time in the peter david captain marvel when he may have killed a child based on a future vision

[Agent Z]

I don't agree with that premise. Frank doesn't deliberate. that much is true. he doesn't consider the potential domino effect of his actions. those organized criminals have family members; some innocent. ever consider what happens to the child of one of those murdered people? Frank's victims are responsible for the crimes that they commit. but Castle takes part of that responsibility when he intervenes instead of the justice system. and 'innocent' is a relative term. Mephisto might tell you that he doesn't harm innocents, as well. doesn't mean that Mephisto isn't a villain.

Most superheroes don't consider the domino effect of their actions.

[Michael Watkins]

If Frank busts some caps in some crooks and those crooks had families, we just say those dudes died from occupational hazards.

What happens to those kids? They'll just be down one or two parents. Sucks to suck. If the law was an un-corruptible machine they would've lost that parent anyway.

America exists because of crime. anyways, those kids don't just lose a parent. they lose their reality. they lose the structure of family. can you imagine one of your parents being outed as a gangster and being killed all at once? then the feds seize your home and finances. child protective services might even step in. and the cycle begins anew.

[Michael Watkins]

Most superheroes don't consider the domino effect of their actions.

pro-registration *points to self*

[Triniking1234]

America exists because of crime. anyways, those kids don't just lose a parent. they lose their reality. they lose the structure of family. can you imagine one of your parents being outed as a gangster and being killed all at once? then the feds seize your home and finances. child protective services might even step in. and the cycle begins anew.

Wut?

As for the rest, that sounds like the parent's fault for being a gangster.

[Ichijinijisanji]

America exists because of crime. anyways, those kids don't just lose a parent. they lose their reality. they lose the structure of family. can you imagine one of your parents being outed as a gangster and being killed all at once? then the feds seize your home and finances. child protective services might even step in. and the cycle begins anew.

What about an arrest?
With a very long sentence?

[Rosebunse]

Frank doesn't even treat all bad guys equally. If you can prove your worth to him, he might keep you alive. If he likes you, he keeps you alive. He goes after people who are easy or who he doesn't have a personally relationship with.

[Iron Maiden]

since you opened that door, he murdered Diablo. he murdered Cassie Lang. and there's a list of underlings who have died for accidentally damaging artwork or getting a musical note wrong. there's also his biographer who he might as well have killed.

Diablo is going to come back, you can be sure of that if he hasn't already. He has a form of immortality from a bargain he made with Mephisto back in the Middle Ages. As for Cassie's death, it is a stretch to call it murder since she died in battle against Doom, which was about a dozen or so to one. She struck at him when she thought her father was dead and Doom returned the blow while falling backwards. It was a strike made in self defense so it is a stretch to call it murder. And he did bring her back after all. As for the biographer in Books of Doom, her fate is unknown. Boris was her jailer and for all we know the prisoners could have been set free by General Karadick when he took over.

[Michael Watkins]

Diablo is going to come back, you can be sure of that if he hasn't already. He has a form of immortality from a bargain he made with Mephisto back in the Middle Ages. As for Cassie's death, it is a stretch to call it murder since she died in battle against Doom, which was about a dozen or so to one. She struck at him when she thought her father was dead and Doom returned the blow while falling backwards. It was a strike made in self defense so it is a stretch to call it murder. And he did bring her back after all. As for the biographer in Books of Doom, her fate is unknown. Boris was her jailer and for all we know the prisoners could have been set free by General Karadick when he took over.

it's a stretch to call it a battle. add god-level power to the mix and it becomes an act of cruelty. keep in mind that he used less force against her father. not even sure what point your making in that last sentence. doesn't make Doom seem less villainous; that's for sure.



his words suggest that he didn't consider himself to be in mortal danger. next you'll say that he didn't know his own strength. so the post below will damn him with his own thoughts.

[Michael Watkins]

"cold blooded murder"

[Iron Maiden]

it's a stretch to call it a battle. add god-level power to the mix and it becomes an act of cruelty. keep in mind that he used less force against her father. not even sure what point your making in that last sentence. doesn't make Doom seem less villainous; that's for sure.



his words suggest that he didn't consider himself to be in mortal danger. next you'll say that he didn't know his own strength. so the post below will damn him with his own thoughts.

His own words show that when he struck back he was just pushing her away. It would be different if he had said, "Now die you meddling brat"



And those aren't Doom's thoughts in that Avengers World story. Obviously it is the narrator/writer describing the scene. And for this case "cold blooded murder" doesn't fit the narrative of the panel where Cassie is on top of Doom and he warns her to "rein in her tantrum" BEFORE he loses his temper. No one on the scene that day even realized she was dealt a mortal blow until the fight was over. They were all standing around talking about whether or not they should they should do anything about it. And they didn't pursue Doom




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[Ptrvc]

In many ways Frank Castle is a better hero than your average Cape. He tries to do something to solve the whole super-powered killer thing besides putting them in a box and waiting for them to break out yet again.

Maybe you're typical Thor, Iron-Man, Captain Marvel is okay with the piles of dead civilians as long as they can stand on top of them, in sunlight and public adoration?

Just a thought.

[Iron Maiden]

In many ways Frank Castle is a better hero than your average Cape. He tries to do something to solve the whole super-powered killer thing besides putting them in a box and waiting for them to break out yet again.

Maybe you're typical Thor, Iron-Man, Captain Marvel is okay with the piles of dead civilians as long as they can stand on top of them, in sunlight and public adoration?

Just a thought.

So you would blame a policemen if they arrest a criminal and then that criminal escapes from jail to commit another crime?

[Ptrvc]

So you would blame a policemen if they arrest a criminal and then that criminal escapes from jail to commit another crime?

On the thirtieth time? Yeah kinda.

[Iron Maiden]

On the thirtieth time? Yeah kinda.

Even if the party that apprehends the criminal has nothing to do with said criminal once they enter the judicial system for trial, sentencing and confinement? Do you expect them to also guard the people they apprehend?