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  • A Man of Steel sequel with Zack Snyder returning

    4 5.56%
  • A Man of Steel sequel with a new director but w/ same cast

    30 41.67%
  • A recast Superman movie loosely in the DCEU

    13 18.06%
  • A full reboot with a new continuity, no connection to the DCEU

    17 23.61%
  • Just have spinoff movies like Supergirl

    2 2.78%
  • Give the entire franchise a rest for the foreseeable future

    3 4.17%
  • Other

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    Like most, I want to see the Man of Steel cross blades against "the terror" that is Brainiac.




    To bolster Brainiac's ranks, I suggest giving him a support. Historically, he's allied with Luthor, Maxima, Draaga, Supergirl(s), Doomsday, Metallo, Lois Lane, Cyborg Superman, Telos, COMPUTO, Solaris and others.

    I'd like to Imperiex (LOSH version) allied as Brainiac's ̶H̶e̶r̶a̶l̶d̶ Emissary.




    This will give Supes someone other to fight and we know Imperiex can take Supes' punch no trouble.




    Take it from Kang about having henchmen.





    The story around Supes I have worked out. As well as toppling the Computer Tyrant. The only issue I have is bringing Brainiac to Earth in a unique way. We've seen enough standard alien invasion movies (DCEU, MCU, Transformers, Star Trek, Edge of Tomorrow, Pacific Rim, Fantastic Four ROTSS etc), that the challenge is doing something different and unique. I've contemplated giving Brainiac the Mobius Chair and making him a time traveler. Only foreseeable issue is that it skews really close to Kang and Terminator. At the same time, Brainiac also skews close to Galactus and Zod as well. Can't win for losing.

    I like the time travel angle. I just need a strong enough clause to motivate Brainiac to travel back to 21st century Earth and kill the Last Son of Krypton. Any ideas? I could use the help.

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    Itís pretty obvious that WB is in no rush to make a new Superman film. Theyíre probably gonna put him on the shelf until this generation of kids are adults. Captain America is this generationís Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superlad93 View Post
    Pre note: I'd actually rather the second film be the very next Superman movie we get, but since the Snyder films were what they were, I think this first film is required on some level. Then again, similar to MOS and BVS, the first two Thor movies didn't really set our main character or his supporting cast in the best way possible, so 3 just said screw it, and that turned out to be among Marvel's biggest successes/come from behind victories in their whole decade of life. So, you can probably read this post starting at just the second film if you like.
    I changed my mind on this slightly.

    You can do Brainiac and do a fun, out of the comfort zone space adventure. Basically you do an "alien invasion" where the aliens win, and it's up to Superman to go out there and fix things. I put "alien invasion" in quotes because I'm imagining Brainiac almost as a sort of idea virus that finds a host on the target planet to infect, uses them up, and moves on. Galactus as an living idea. A cosmic shark.

    We start out with what a normal day is for the now married Lois and Clark (it's a well oiled machine full of confidence and playfulness), then without warning we see random junk, hodgepodged together, start to form Brainiac drones that are creating a large perimeter around an area. Clark can hardly react before a light erupts from the city taking all the people within the perimeter. This includes Lois. So, similar to For Tomorrow a whole city full of people just go missing in a flash of blinding light. Smash forward about a week or so (or not. Not married to it). Working backwards we see that the light originated from a single man (Fine). We've got a coordinated effort between Superman and the government personified by agent Jimmy Olsen. Bit of a Spielberg vibe to it.

    Then we get the hook just before act one closes: Lex, in ultramax custody for crimes against humanity, says that he has an idea and will need Superman's help. Under strict supervision by agent Olsen, they retrofit his cell to function as ground control for Superman's journey into space. It's basically a Superman movie where Lex is "the guy in the chair," as Ned would put it. There's a constant tension present from Superman only life-line. We play up that even though Clark has been Superman for a little while now, going into space, much less going into space to find a needle in a haystack, is genuinely frightening to Clark. It's like the equivalent of a normal person going deep into a jungle and having to survive. Super-man vs cosmic-wild, and he doesn't know if he can trust his "guy in the chair" (they retrofit a Brainiac drone head to act as a communicator and tracker for the alien itself).

    Lois isn't left totally out though. The people got turned into pure light--pure information and loaded into Brainiac's overmind. They're manifested into these bottle cities for their comfort, and they're largely pacified. But eventually Lois is going to be able to find Brainiac's human host, Fine, and attempt to get through to him. This section wouldn't be too large in the film, but the payoff is nice because in the final hour Lois basically gets as many people in the virtual Earth bottle and a few others to mentally force themselves to done Superman suit a feel good moment of solidarity and hope, thus putting Brainiac off balance enough for Clark to take the W.

    Lots of room for fun, spectacle, Imax grandiose porn shots, world building, humor, character, and just a straight up adventure from point A to point B (something Superman and quite a few superhero movies never really get around to). Also a new and fun way of using Lex.
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    I'd definitely want the "Man of Steel sequel with the same cast but a new director."

    I mean I actually have some serious respect for Zack Snyder (though I have some equally serious doubts about the quality of his Lois-fridging long-term masterplan) but either way I just don't think he's the best choice to bring back. General audiences and most Superman fans want something aggressively delightful to watch, an extravaganza of Superman doing Superman stuff! And Snyder was never all that interested in delight. Maybe someone more like JJ Abrams. Although I've got some problems with him here or there too, I think he's really good at nailing "delightful."

    If I'm being asked what I would do as Boss of the World, well...

    My elevator pitch for a Superman movie is basically that Kal and STAR labs fish Kara Zor-El's ship out of the Phantom Zone, and Lois and Clark have to introduce a sorrowful but pure-hearted teenager to Earth society. Kara teaches her cousin about a side of Krypton he never knew, since as an artist (see: Supergirl '84) she's more tapped into its beauty than Jor-El the Heretic, but in a way lacking the fascism inherent in Zod's view of Krypton. Kal will learn to love and cherish Krypton's memory more, through his cousin, and she, equally, will learn to see the beauty of the primitive and violent Earth, as well as to learn the sense of Jor's individualist rhetoric of breaking the bonds that "society had intended". It's a film about family and relationships, and growth, but also, you know, about Super-Action, since the Krypton Kids have got to fight a Phantom Zone borne threat to planetary survival.

    Oh, and Clark and Lois get married at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    Itís pretty obvious that WB is in no rush to make a new Superman film. Theyíre probably gonna put him on the shelf until this generation of kids are adults. Captain America is this generationís Superman.
    My answer as to what I'd do remains in spirit of the thread's question, but this is also true. He's done on screen again for the foreseeable future. I expect the Shazam "cameo" to be the last big screen look at the character for a long time. They adapted the Death story that they've been clamoring to do since the 90s. And it was not successful. They're done with him now.
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    Reboot. No one has mentioned Returns, the cautionary tale of trying to follow (a cherry picked) continuity. Just burn away and start something new, other superhero movies get away with this regularly. Or at least they try, because it's less messy. Skip the origin and try to make it as enjoyable and varied as possible.

    Personally I would like a surprisingly good Superman/Clark found outside of the Hollywood box while the supporting cast anchors him with star power. Just thinking for myself, I'd love Anne Hathaway as Lois with Brad Pitt as Lex, and Jude Law's Morgan Edge stuck in the middle of Darkseid and Brainiac (an armored Vincent D'onofrio and the voice of Idris Elba, respectively).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    The story I always wanted to see expanded upon in some form is "The Immortal Superman" from ACTION COMICS 385 - 387.
    For a movie I think that takes away from a brand look too much (lots of make up or a far older actor than is usually advertised) but that's one story I really should get. Hope I'm not sticker shocked when I try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagaton View Post

    For a movie I think that takes away from a brand look too much (lots of make up or a far older actor than is usually advertised) but that's one story I really should get. Hope I'm not sticker shocked when I try.
    I was thinking they could get an older actor to play Superman, such as Nicolas Cage, and use de-aging for the few scenes at the beginning where he has to appear young. And he wouldn't have to look really old, just enough to suggest he has some years on him.

    It's the same issue they would have if they did a Dark Knight Returns or a Batman Beyond or a Kingdom Come.

    Curt Swan didn't make Superman look bad in the comics--he looked pretty heroic as a Man of Tomorrow. But this is one of those stories that could do with some improvements, because George Roussos wrecked the art with his wrong-headed inking. The covers still looked good, because Murphy Anderson inked Curt on them. And Cary Bates only had so many pages in ACTION for those three issues to tell the story. But it's an odyssey that could have kept going for several issues and never got boring.

    Sorry if I spoiled the ending, but I assumed by now most people would know it. Physical copies of those issues are not that expensive--which is kind of sad, because I think they should be more highly valued.
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    If Cavill wants to come back, give him a chance to do a proper Superman movie that isn't trying to deconstruct the character. Just let him be Superman without half his face being CGI'ed into some monstrosity.

    I don't think Amy Adams is all that interested in coming back, and she doesn't really need to. Recasting Lois, with a brand new Jimmy, Perry, and Lex would be a great way to indicate that this is a fresh take on the character that takes what worked (Cavill) from Man of Steel while going in a new, brighter direction that emphasizes heart, humor, and spectacle above all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman View Post
    It’s pretty obvious that WB is in no rush to make a new Superman film. They’re probably gonna put him on the shelf until this generation of kids are adults. Captain America is this generation’s Superman.
    And that's part of the problem. By the time we get one, it will be at least a decade since the last one. It's one of the reasons I figured they may as well start from scratch. They don't want to make a sequel or they would have by now. Cavill gets a lot of grief for his demands but look at it from his perspective: He gets a call every two or three years to cameo in someone else's movie while WW gets a sequel greenlit before the first one is even out of theaters. That has to be frustrating putting the rest of your career on hold waiting for another movie that never comes. If WB isn't going to take this version seriously then walk away and start over. Even ignoring all the problems with the first one, we're over five years out from it. There's no script in the works. No plans on the drawing board. Where is this franchise going? Right now it's stuck in neutral. Suicide Squad, a movie that was even more panned than MOS, is getting a sequel. There really is no excuse for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    And that's part of the problem. By the time we get one, it will be at least a decade since the last one. It's one of the reasons I figured they may as well start from scratch. They don't want to make a sequel or they would have by now. Cavill gets a lot of grief for his demands but look at it from his perspective: He gets a call every two or three years to cameo in someone else's movie while WW gets a sequel greenlit before the first one is even out of theaters. That has to be frustrating putting the rest of your career on hold waiting for another movie that never comes. If WB isn't going to take this version seriously then walk away and start over. Even ignoring all the problems with the first one, we're over five years out from it. There's no script in the works. No plans on the drawing board. Where is this franchise going? Right now it's stuck in neutral. Suicide Squad, a movie that was even more panned than MOS, is getting a sequel. There really is no excuse for this.
    To be fair, Suicide Squad only had one misstep on the big screen. How many has Superman had the last few decades? Iím not saying itís fair but itís not the best comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpaqueGiraffe17 View Post
    To be fair, Suicide Squad only had one misstep on the big screen. How many has Superman had the last few decades? I’m not saying it’s fair but it’s not the best comparison.
    But Man of Steel was NOT a misstep. Otherwise, they wouldn't have gone forward with BvS. Warners was quite happy with MOS at the time when all was said and done.

    It was profitable, did well on home video, and had a good audience reaction (on a par with Aquaman).

    In comics circles, it might be polarizing, but outsiders don't have a seething hatred for it.

    I'm thinking it was the reaction to BvS and Justice League that made Warners back off Superman and get a Batman movie into production that has nothing to do with Ben Affleck. Justice League's underperformance definitely shook things up at DC Films. Everyone associated with that film is gone from the company.

    On the other hand, even though MOS was fine at the time, retroactive thinking might make the stink of BvS and JL stick to it and Warner's is just quietly ignoring Superman until some years pass and they can relaunch him.

    This is similar to what happened after Superman Returns. Even though there were public noises about making a sequel, those were obviously just for show. Seven years after SR, we got MOS. We'll see if we get a new Superman reboot (with a new cast) 7 years after Justice League -- in 2024.

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    But if you sign actors to long term contracts and seed them in your movies over a ten year period, you can make more than two billion dollars at the end of it on just one movie alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I was thinking they could get an older actor to play Superman, such as Nicolas Cage, and use de-aging for the few scenes at the beginning where he has to appear young. And he wouldn't have to look really old, just enough to suggest he has some years on him.

    It's the same issue they would have if they did a Dark Knight Returns or a Batman Beyond or a Kingdom Come.

    Curt Swan didn't make Superman look bad in the comics--he looked pretty heroic as a Man of Tomorrow. But this is one of those stories that could do with some improvements, because George Roussos wrecked the art with his wrong-headed inking. The covers still looked good, because Murphy Anderson inked Curt on them. And Cary Bates only had so many pages in ACTION for those three issues to tell the story. But it's an odyssey that could have kept going for several issues and never got boring.

    Sorry if I spoiled the ending, but I assumed by now most people would know it. Physical copies of those issues are not that expensive--which is kind of sad, because I think they should be more highly valued.
    I meant that with such a drive for merchandising and sequels, the rather age prejudiced world of marketing would have a tough time working backwards. They would probably need him to look "normal" for half the movie especially to cut difficulty and cost. But I guess that could be as little as salt and peppering his hair.

    To say nothing of their lives, I'd have liked Klein and Chiaramonte were around for more of the stories outside of Anderson and Oksner. Klein especially, had he not been shuffled off. I kinda wish that stuff was valued more but I also like finding the likes of Superman #264 and #400 in a dollar bin. Superman #149 probably cost me less than I'd pay for some random 1978 issue of Batman. I'm sure by the time I get that story anyway, I'll have forgotten the little bits of summary I did read there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bored at 3:00AM View Post
    If Cavill wants to come back, give him a chance to do a proper Superman movie that isn't trying to deconstruct the character. Just let him be Superman without half his face being CGI'ed into some monstrosity.

    I don't think Amy Adams is all that interested in coming back, and she doesn't really need to. Recasting Lois, with a brand new Jimmy, Perry, and Lex would be a great way to indicate that this is a fresh take on the character that takes what worked (Cavill) from Man of Steel while going in a new, brighter direction that emphasizes heart, humor, and spectacle above all.
    The mustache was his fault. But probably the biggest thing about rebooting to me is that the DP status quo is in shambles. If they go through the effort of trying again they shouldn't have to work so hard to restore that element. And if they act quickly, they could like... get Judd Hirsch for Perry and McLovin for Jimmy before they get too old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagaton View Post
    The mustache was his fault.
    How?!? Wasn't it in his contract for Mission Impossible that he had to keep it?

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    Back in the day, before they had CGI, I wonder how they got around continuity problems when they went back to film pick-ups. I remember one doc about Mario Lanza that showed when he went through a door his suit gained two sizes. But I'm sure more observant script supervisors will work with the director to invent ways around these unavoidable problems. For JUSTICE LEAGUE, the facial hair would have fit with his return from the dead, but they would still have that opening scene. I'm not sure it was really necessary to the movie--and it's supposed to be found footage--but they could have shot the scene differently, from an obscure angle or in shadow. Maybe having the convenience of CGI has made directors lazy about finding more creative solutions to problems that arise while filming.

    Judd Hirsch is 84 years old, I don't think he can get much older and still remain in the mortal realm. But for the last few decades he seems to have been cast as characters that are actually younger than his true age. In the sadly departed FOREVER, his character was supposed to be about ten years younger than his actual age.
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