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    Frightful Four

    I've written this a few times.

    Bentley Wittman would be a disgraced scientist/inventor known for plagiarism, animal abuse, and falsifying results for pay. But there's a black market for everything. And he's just as brilliant as he is arrogant. Moving along, some shady organization hires Bentley to lead a expedition of the Negative Zone. It's he, some loser named Janus, Piotr Petruski (a sadistic dishonorably discharged soldier who had done industrial sabotage work for Wittman), and a small squad of mercenaries (think Jurassic Park villains).

    This breaking into the N-Zone endangers New York; getting the Fantastic Four involved. A lot of Wittman's crew become food for the N-Zone locals. The Four rescue the others (including Petruski) and turn them over to authorities. Bentley runs further into the Zone; being uninterested in prison. He's found by a very old very malevolent entity that quickly sized Bentley as the perfect pawn. He just offers him what he's always wanted; fame, wealth, and the power to harm those who attacked his image. He becomes the Wingless Wizard. The ideas were suddenly flowing. His inventiveness was at an all-time high. And his ego followed suit. Wizard is sent back to Earth in order to get his revenge. He goes about recruiting others to achieve this goal. And he came back with some very exotic weaponry to impress and enhance others. When he fails to defeat the Fantastic Four, he starts the real work of pillaging other worlds and planets on behalf of the Negative Zone entity. He'd gradually lose his grip on reality from having part of his mind tethered to the Negative Zone.

    Pete, w/ Wizard's aid, becomes the Trap-Master. Wizard gives him alien equipment that he's able to pimp into restraint devices of varying lethality. He sticks with Wizard because the latter doesn't judge him for his quirks.

    Oh and though no one cared, Janus actually survived only to be killed by his higher functioning N-zone doppelgänger the Nega-Man.
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    Professor Power......gets his hands on a old Iron Patriot suit, revamps it, finally realizes his plans for revenge never go well (against Cap, Xavier, Spider-Man) instead tries to hire himself out to Taskmaster or Hobgoblin.....

    Institute of Evil (616 Version)
    Ape X: Cynernetic Talking Gorilla, has robot legs instead of tank treads
    Lamprey: energy absorber/ copier....has powers also include flight/ energy blasts, can use powers he absorbs, with the training/ control needed
    Doctor Decibel: Sonic Weapons
    Quagmire: has access to the shadow Realms in form of black tar
    Shape: shapeshifter, smarter than Gruenwald Version
    Gauntlet: Enhanced Inhuman Merc......former Dark Rider, Weapons expert brought in in case they tangle with any X Teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy View Post
    Professor Power......gets his hands on a old Iron Patriot suit, revamps it, finally realizes his plans for revenge never go well (against Cap, Xavier, Spider-Man) instead tries to hire himself out to Taskmaster or Hobgoblin.....

    Institute of Evil (616 Version)
    Ape X: Cynernetic Talking Gorilla, has robot legs instead of tank treads
    Lamprey: energy absorber/ copier....has powers also include flight/ energy blasts, can use powers he absorbs, with the training/ control needed
    Doctor Decibel: Sonic Weapons
    Quagmire: has access to the shadow Realms in form of black tar
    Shape: shapeshifter, smarter than Gruenwald Version
    Gauntlet: Enhanced Inhuman Merc......former Dark Rider, Weapons expert brought in in case they tangle with any X Teams
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    Remnant- Magic carpet and bag full of tricks
    Mink- Wolverine claws and mink stink gas
    Pinball- Inflatable suit

    These guys were former instituters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    Well they are all decent revamps. Scarecrow could definitely use something to set him apart from the distinguished competition. I guess that's why the supernatural angle was added in the first place. Limb/organ harvest-ing makes perfect sense for a scarecrow. Borrowing from the 80s horror 'Scarecrows' you could also give him the ability to reanimate the people he kills/making scarecrows of his own ; with limits, of course.
    Pretty much my point, try to further separate him from DC's iteration of the moniker. Marvel did the right thing when they moved him over into being a Ghost Rider villain but they could go farther with the concept by including a few elements of classic movie monsters and themes. I think they could make something truly great by combining elements of Children of the Corn, Jeepers Creeper's, the Wicker Man, the Collection, maybe even Hellraiser into the concept and arcs of the Scarecrow to showcase him as a truly horrific character.

    On that note.

    Swarm: another character that could seriously benefit moving to the supernatural side of things (honestly not sure how he hasn't been already). Play his body off as being comprised of infernal wasp, perhaps over the remnants of his physical remains, in order to give him a few additional abilities. Given that the dude is supposed to be (another) Nazi scientist maybe adjust his appearance a bit to conceal the majority of body beneath something other than a cowl, with face generally obscured behind porcelain mask or featureless gas mask to give him this more menacing and Lovecraftian horror vibe. Basically just turn him into Candyman, maybe even pursue the descendants of holocaust survivors & WWII soldiers out of vengeance or spite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegwolf View Post
    Pretty much my point, try to further separate him from DC's iteration of the moniker. Marvel did the right thing when they moved him over into being a Ghost Rider villain but they could go farther with the concept by including a few elements of classic movie monsters and themes. I think they could make something truly great by combining elements of Children of the Corn, Jeepers Creeper's, the Wicker Man, the Collection, maybe even Hellraiser into the concept and arcs of the Scarecrow to showcase him as a truly horrific character.

    On that note.

    Swarm: another character that could seriously benefit moving to the supernatural side of things (honestly not sure how he hasn't been already). Play his body off as being comprised of infernal wasp, perhaps over the remnants of his physical remains, in order to give him a few additional abilities. Given that the dude is supposed to be (another) Nazi scientist maybe adjust his appearance a bit to conceal the majority of body beneath something other than a cowl, with face generally obscured behind porcelain mask or featureless gas mask to give him this more menacing and Lovecraftian horror vibe. Basically just turn him into Candyman, maybe even pursue the descendants of holocaust survivors & WWII soldiers out of vengeance or spite.
    Nazi scientist (maybe an underling of von Strucker's) who veered off into the occult after falling ill and seeking some form of immortality. The look can change depending on the story. But I think a swarm of supernatural wasps housing themselves in a nazi uniform (no insignia) might work. the custom gas mask in lieu of a face. So basically a scarecrow made of "bees." But I think that Swarm could benefit from having more of a personality. Sometimes, he would walk around in a 3-piece suit. Maybe even a tuxedo when holding parties/kidnapping people. And his voice would be almost hypnotic; like thousands of voices speaking at once. He'd be a monster with pretensions of being a man; like Toulon from the Puppetmaster movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    Nazi scientist (maybe an underling of von Strucker's) who veered off into the occult after falling ill and seeking some form of immortality. The look can change depending on the story. But I think a swarm of supernatural wasps housing themselves in a nazi uniform (no insignia) might work. the custom gas mask in lieu of a face. So basically a scarecrow made of "bees." But I think that Swarm could benefit from having more of a personality. Sometimes, he would walk around in a 3-piece suit. Maybe even a tuxedo when holding parties/kidnapping people. And his voice would be almost hypnotic; like thousands of voices speaking at once. He'd be a monster with pretensions of being a man; like Toulon from the Puppetmaster movies.
    On that note, you could make the Puppet Master more like Toulon from the earlier Puppetmaster films. Including killer puppets among other things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaded Porcupine View Post
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    Remnant- Magic carpet and bag full of tricks
    Mink- Wolverine claws and mink stink gas
    Pinball- Inflatable suit

    These guys were former instituters.
    I forgot about them.......heck, I’m waiting for the Squadron to expand in Avengers (Golden Archer. Arcanna, Captain Hawk, Lady Lark, Amphibian, Skymax, Tom Thumb, Nuke....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegwolf View Post
    On that note, you could make the Puppet Master more like Toulon from the earlier Puppetmaster films. Including killer puppets among other things
    I thought about it. But the guy is already at a level of creepiness that makes his relationship with Alicia unrealistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy View Post
    I forgot about them.......heck, I’m waiting for the Squadron to expand in Avengers (Golden Archer. Arcanna, Captain Hawk, Lady Lark, Amphibian, Skymax, Tom Thumb, Nuke....)
    I kind of want characters like that to show up but as younger heroes (or villains); in the vein of the New Warriors. Some of them could benefit from the redesign imo. Same with the institute of evil. And I have always thought that they should introduce the squadron supreme's version of the teen titans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaded Porcupine View Post
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    Remnant- Magic carpet and bag full of tricks
    Mink- Wolverine claws and mink stink gas
    Pinball- Inflatable suit

    These guys were former instituters.
    I could see someone like Roderick Kingsley or Power Broker trying to diversify their businesses; maybe opening a school of some sort...an institute... of evil. And upon graduation, they get their new villain identities. It'd be an easy way to introduce Mink, Remnant, and Pinball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decoy View Post
    I forgot about them.......heck, I’m waiting for the Squadron to expand in Avengers (Golden Archer. Arcanna, Captain Hawk, Lady Lark, Amphibian, Skymax, Tom Thumb, Nuke....)
    Loved Gruenwald’s run. One of the best ever. He is still my favorite writer of all time. It would be great to see the entire cast of Squadroners again and the Institute. Don’t forget Redstone, Haywire, Inertia, Thermite and Moonglow. Great additional characters. To bad most of them died. It would be great to have another universe with all of them alive.

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