Who is the smartest X-man other than Beast?

[Glio]

If we talk about supergenies that know everything like Hank Pym, Reed Richards or Bruce Banner before Immortal Hulk, they have none other than Beast. That's why it does not matter what he does, they always have to forgive him.

Now on top he knows magic.

[jalsrix]

Smartest means a person with high IQ and not someone with knowledge of a field.

Kitty, Cypher, Beast is my shortlist.

[Killerbee911]

If we talk about supergenies that know everything like Hank Pym, Reed Richards or Bruce Banner before Immortal Hulk, they have none other than Beast. That's why it does not matter what he does, they always have to forgive him.

Now on top he knows magic.

One of the reason I made this thread because of convo on this forum where a person complained Cyclops being used a leader and they were mad because other character aren't getting a chance. My point was his character(cyclops) design means he is a good leader so once he is around well he is going to lead. People overlook that no other roles are real given out to other characters and focus leader because it is clear obvious role. They have been many different characters who are leaders but Beast is pretty much the only "science guy" in the 50 to 100 or so characters in main group of people we consider the X-men.

Beast is always generally around in the X-universe because he has clear role to do in the X-men. It is so bad that they imported in Dark Beast to Uncanny because there isn't other establish science guy in the X-men world while Beast is Age of X-man. There wasn't even another science character around to call Hank out on the f**ckery of messing with time on science level of bringing back the 05. It is just something to think about Beast gets loads of character development (most bad though nobody else to blame for science screw ups ).

In world without Beast around since nobody is a super genius "the smart guy role" would be shared around more characters Sage, Kitty, Forge would get more tech focus; M, Emma, Cypher would get more recognition for their general intelligence, Prodigy as character might be developed into more biology/chemical scientific areas, also a doctor like Celia Reyes would play role and maybe Triage and Elixir would be developed as traditional healers as complements to their powers. But as long as super genius is around he is easy option for a story or a team.

Smartest means a person with high IQ and not someone with knowledge of a field.

Kitty, Cypher, Beast is my shortlist.

No smartest means whoever the smartest is around,If there is no one with a super high IQ around then smartest could be person who is the specialist in their field. I was looking for yes someone with the general all around knowledge like Beast but if they aren't any then it is the next in line. Kitty won't be able to operate on person but Celia Reyes can, Celia can't fix a computer but Kitty can, Cypher can decipher code but Forge can't,Forge can repair the Blackbird but Cypher can't.A subject matter Specialist mean something in a topic about intelligence when a Generalist isn't around.

[Glio]

One of the reason I made this thread because of convo on this forum where a person complained Cyclops being used a leader and they were mad because other character aren't getting a chance. My point was his character(cyclops) design means he is a good leader so once he is around well he is going to lead. People overlook that no other roles are real given out to other characters and focus leader because it is clear obvious role. They have been many different characters who are leaders but Beast is pretty much the only "science guy" in the 50 to 100 or so characters in main group of people we consider the X-men.

Beast is always generally around in the X-universe because he has clear role to do in the X-men. It is so bad that they imported in Dark Beast to Uncanny because there isn't other establish science guy in the X-men world while Beast is Age of X-man. There wasn't even another science character around to call Hank out on the f**ckery of messing with time on science level of bringing back the 05. It is just something to think about Beast gets loads of character development (most bad though nobody else to blame for science screw ups ).

In world without Beast around since nobody is a super genius "the smart guy role" would be shared around more characters Sage, Kitty, Forge would get more tech focus; M, Emma, Cypher would get more recognition for their general intelligence, Prodigy as character might be developed into more biology/chemical scientific areas, also a doctor like Celia Reyes would play role and maybe Triage and Elixir would be developed as traditional healers as complements to their powers. But as long as super genius is around he is easy option for a story or a team.






No smartest means whoever the smartest is around,If there is no one with a super high IQ around then smartest could be person who is the specialist in their field. I was looking for yes someone with the general all around knowledge like Beast but if they aren't any then it is the next in line. Kitty won't be able to operate on person but Celia Reyes can, Celia can't fix a computer but Kitty can, Cypher can decipher code but Forge can't,Forge can repair the Blackbird but Cypher can't.A subject matter Specialist mean something in a topic about intelligence when a Generalist isn't around.

I agree. People were surprised when in a thread of what X-Men have had the greatest number of appearances, Beast was the second above Cyclops (The first is obvious).

And it had to be Beast. He has appearances on virtually every mutant line there is. Even during Death of X Cyclops contacts Beast because he is simply the only mutant science guy.

There should be more, the problem is that that is a clear difference with for example the Avengers. Many superheroes are scientists because intelligence is the direct or indirect source of their powers, mutants instead have powers by birth, writers do not feel the need to make them smart.

[Magnusilver]

Last time Beast left X-men they had the X-club in his place. So up until now I don't think there is an individual one except Dark Beast can replace Beast.

[Glio]

The funny thing is that although Dark Beast was as smart as Beast, it was a plot point that he knew almost nothing about engineering or computer science, he specialized in biology.

Now with Rosenberg and Bendis Dark Beast is the same as Beast.

[Magnusilver]

I agree. People were surprised when in a thread of what X-Men have had the greatest number of appearances, Beast was the second above Cyclops (The first is obvious).

And it had to be Beast. He has appearances on virtually every mutant line there is. Even during Death of X Cyclops contacts Beast because he is simply the only mutant science guy.

There should be more, the problem is that that is a clear difference with for example the Avengers. Many superheroes are scientists because intelligence is the direct or indirect source of their powers, mutants instead have powers by birth, writers do not feel the need to make them smart.

Comics worship strength and power rather than intelligence. Scientist is usually considered uncool and doesn't have good treatment except he takes up lead role as well. So why bother create scientist when writers can create cooler heroes with power and strength.

The funny thing is that although Dark Beast was as smart as Beast, it was a plot point that he knew almost nothing about engineering or computer science, he specialized in biology.

Now with Rosenberg and Bendis Dark Beast is the same as Beast.

Dark Beast is smart, which means he can learn.

[Glio]

Comics worship strength and power rather than intelligence. Scientist is usually considered uncool and doesn't have good treatment except he takes up lead role as well. So why bother create scientist when writers can create cooler heroes with power and strength.



Dark Beast is smart, which means he can learn.

Tony Stark is the most popular movie hero now and he's smart.

[Magnusilver]

Tony Stark is the most popular movie hero now and he's smart.

because he is the lead role of ironman movies/comcis and the ironman suit is the best example of converting intelligence to power and strengths.

[PrezValentine]

It's a shame Nemesis is a no-no, because it would have been him for ditching the X-Books for the Avengers books. But Disassembled happened and he left the Agents of Wakanda for them, so we're back to 0. So, I'd say it's Broo who did the same thing and apparently wasn't hit with the AU bat.

On a serious note, if we're talking SCIENCE DUDE who has answers to most stuff, like T'Challa, Richards and Stark do, I'd say Beast is alone.

[Glio]

It's a shame Nemesis is a no-no, because it would have been him for ditching the X-Books for the Avengers books. But Disassembled happened and he left the Agents of Wakanda for them, so we're back to 0. So, I'd say it's Broo who did the same thing and apparently wasn't hit with the AU bat.

On a serious note, if we're talking SCIENCE DUDE who has answers to most stuff, like T'Challa, Richards and Stark do, I'd say Beast is alone.

But outside of the mutants they are adding characters to that club like Nadia Pym, Amadeus Cho, Ironheart, Lunella or Valeria Richards.

All the new X-Men we receive are stupid like stones.

[FIGHT]

Prodigy is smart but nobody wants to writes him. Lots of potential tho.

[Killerbee911]

Last time Beast left X-men they had the X-club in his place. So up until now I don't think there is an individual one except Dark Beast can replace Beast.

It's a shame Nemesis is a no-no, because it would have been him for ditching the X-Books for the Avengers books. But Disassembled happened and he left the Agents of Wakanda for them, so we're back to 0. So, I'd say it's Broo who did the same thing and apparently wasn't hit with the AU bat.

On a serious note, if we're talking SCIENCE DUDE who has answers to most stuff, like T'Challa, Richards and Stark do, I'd say Beast is alone.

It is actually a good thing that multiple people have to replace Beast, X-men have multiple character who need stuff to do in stories. The X-club wasn't a bad idea but as you can see none of them are around to be used hence that is why I didn't want Dr Nemesis or Madison Jefferies as options. If the X-club was say Cypher, Prodigy ,Sage ,Celia Reyes, and Forge for example those characters while still getting put in limbo too they have more of a chance to show up again. Even as exposition plot device side characters in stories who hang around the X-men. Prodigy in New mutants dark souls and Celia Reyes on occasion show up because they a useful skill.

because he is the lead role of ironman movies/comcis and the ironman suit is the best example of converting intelligence to power and strengths.

It is not just Iron man, Reed Richards,Hank Pym,Batman, Flash, Atom, Blue Marvel,Riri Williams, Shuri, Moon Girl, Spiderman,Wasp and many more all have intelligence as big part of them being hero. Being smart isn't really look down on it is key element to many stories. Beast being so smart lets him be a Pilot, Engineer, Doctor, Biologist ,Physicist and many more in stories.Scientist/smart guy isn't really seen as uncool

[MichelleDiMera]

The funny thing is that although Dark Beast was as smart as Beast, it was a plot point that he knew almost nothing about engineering or computer science, he specialized in biology.

Now with Rosenberg and Bendis Dark Beast is the same as Beast.

He was ahead of Beast on Legacy Virus research(X Men Unlimited #10). He's smarter because his morality doesnt factor into results.

[Glio]

He was ahead of Beast on Legacy Virus research(X Men Unlimited #10). He's smarter because his morality doesnt factor into results.

Legacy Virus is biology.