Daredevil's rouges gallery....

[babyblob]

Is one of the lamest ever. I really like Daredevil and I have a good time reading his comics but I think his rouges are pretty lame. The Leap Frog, Man Bull, The Owl, The Matador, Stilt Man. His best villains were stolen from Spiderman. The Ox from The Enforcers, The Kingpin, Electro.
Why is such a great character given such lame villains? Am I the only one who feels this way?

[Snoop Dogg]

he has wilson and mary that's all he needs

[Michael Watkins]

his rogues gallery is Batman's rogues gallery.

[PCN24454]

All rogues galleries are “lame”, especially when they start start out. Most of the really interesting elements of any hero’s rogues comes from how they’re built up later.

Spider-Man has arguably the best Marvel rogues gallery and yet threads like this can show up.

Most of why Daredevil’s earlier villains have been phased out is because Marvel started to conscribe stricter to genres. The Tinkerer, one of Spider-Man’s earliest villains, was implied to be an alien, but that was retconned later as later writers felt that that would be too out there for a Spider-Man story. With newer Daredevil stories acting more in the superhero noir-esque setting, most of the sci-fi villains were left behind.

[MajorHoy]

Daredevil's rouges gallery

I believe you meant "Rogues' Gallery", unless of course you were talking about Daredevil wearing different shades of red makeup for the cheeks and lips.

[Captain Nash]

I agree. I haven't read a ton of Daredevil stories, but unlike most other higher level Marvel heroes that have sustained a solo book, he has very few villains that are primarily his foes as opposed to general marvel or from some other hero's rogue gallery. Kingpin, Typhoid Mary, Elektra at times, Mr Fear, Bullseye and Lady Bullseye, the Owl and the Hand. That's literally all I can think of.

[Michael Watkins]

I generally associate all of those characters with Daredevil. if they were lame, they wouldn't be appearing so often outside of his title. Bullseye, Kingpin, and Elektra are extremely popular. how would anyone even describe the characters without mentioning Daredevil? he served Fisk his first real loss. Bullseye was obsessed with him to the point where he believed himself to be Daredevil. and Elektra's his first crush. I can take or leave the Owl. but he's not lacking in appearances. any issue with Mister Fear is due to him having few appearances. there's nothing intrinsically lame about him (imo). Lady Bullseye is a sign of Bullseye's popularity. the reason that Daredevil has so few villains is because his territory isn't that large. most of the villains know to avoid Hell's Kitchen.

[the illustrious mr. kenway]

I thought Mark Waid did a good job with the silver age villains in his run. Both he and charles Soule created a few new ones so i don't think DD's is that bad anymore.

[babyblob]

I believe you meant "Rogues' Gallery", unless of course you were talking about Daredevil wearing different shades of red makeup for the cheeks and lips.

Thanks for pointing that out. I never even noticed it.

[NexusTenebrare]

I wish they'd bring back Coyote. He was a more menacing version of the Spot.

[protege]

What about gladiator and the jester?

[Hypestyle]

creatively, things were painted into a corner when Frank Miller went film noir and "dead serious" became the default outlook. It became mostly about gangsters/mob figures; certainly the enduring storylines that "stick out" to people and what future writers tried to emulate (Bendis, etc.)

Current writers could have more traditional "super-villains" if they'd like but will they stick? We'll see.

[PCN24454]

creatively, things were painted into a corner when Frank Miller went film noir and "dead serious" became the default outlook. It became mostly about gangsters/mob figures; certainly the enduring storylines that "stick out" to people and what future writers tried to emulate (Bendis, etc.)

Current writers could have more traditional "super-villains" if they'd like but will they stick? We'll see.

They won’t. Unless it’s a crossover, Daredevil will never break out of his current noir genre.

[your_name_here]

Always The Hood would be a good, more fresh villain for DD to face.
I love his dynamic with Kingpin and it will never not be in a DD comic, but I agree he needs one or two new villains.

[K7P5V]

All rogues galleries are “lame”, especially when they start start out. Most of the really interesting elements of any hero’s rogues comes from how they’re built up later.

Spider-Man has arguably the best Marvel rogues gallery and yet threads like this can show up.

Most of why Daredevil’s earlier villains have been phased out is because Marvel started to conscribe stricter to genres. The Tinkerer, one of Spider-Man’s earliest villains, was implied to be an alien, but that was retconned later as later writers felt that that would be too out there for a Spider-Man story. With newer Daredevil stories acting more in the superhero noir-esque setting, most of the sci-fi villains were left behind.

Spidey as a precursor to Men in Black? Sounds like interesting reading.

I wish they'd bring back Coyote. He was a more menacing version of the Spot.

Actually, I wish they would bring back Ikari. I always thought he had potential.