Did anyone enjoy Spider-Man in spite of One More Day?

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To me subversion is changing the way we were previously familiar with the characters and story, genre, while also bringing in stuff that we didn’t think would work in the story as we came to expect it. It basically defamiliarises how we see the convention.

TDKR did that to Batman. At the time showing Batman as an over the hill old guy in a story where Reagan is a president and superheroes outside of Superman are driven underground was a totally new approach to how we saw the characters and their stories.

What do you think subversion is?

a challenge or undermining of a systemic authority.

so in that way, the clone saga wouldn't be subversive (to me) since it was really about replacing one system with another as familiar as possible, a streamlined version of the existing paradigm. it doubled down on all the same constructs.

there can be overlap with some of the other stuff being discussed here, but reinvention, swerves, twists, retcons, reinterpretation, modernising, revamps, heel turns, bait and switch etc aren't subversive per se. they might be tools of subversion, but using them doesn't necessarily lead to it