Has television truly become that much better than Hollywood films?

[numberthirty]

The AMC version of Preacher drags television's overall score down enough that it is still a toss up.

[shades of eternity]

the tv series has taken the niche of the middle cost movie.

aka the movie that is done on a relative budget.

and I will defend Preacher for having one of the greatest endings of an episode of all time: Clones of Jesus released into the landscape with a funky beat. D

[numberthirty]

the tv series has taken the niche of the middle cost movie.

aka the movie that is done on a relative budget.

and I will defend Preacher for having one of the greatest endings of an episode of all time: Clones of Jesus released into the landscape with a funky beat. D

Jody wanting a swirl frozen yogurt means you will need roughly sixty of those endings just to get back to "Even".

[Flash Gordon]

TV is where the better writing and creativity is, sure.

The big Hollywood movies are just all Marvel superhero CGI things, and remakes.

[AndrewCrossett]

Yes and No. You can tell a longer story (maybe better) and dig deeper into a character than in a movie. However a movie budget gets you better production value.

Unless the story you're telling requires a lot of expensive FX, though, you can do everything you need to do on a TV budget. If you're doing a Game of Thrones type story you'd need an HBO budget, but if you're doing Umbrella Academy Netflix is fine.

[choptop]

I rewatch a lot of movies I very rarely rewatch all of a TV shows a few episodes here and there but not the whole session so no it's not.

[Wiccan]

You can always find people whining about anything. I think most are fine with the last season of GoT and the only unhappiness is that its ending. What most are whining about with GoT is the heel turn by a character that was many people's favorite since the first season. They are ignoring how heavily foreshadowed the heel turn is going all the way to the beginning of the series and just pouting "she was supposed to be the hero" and then crying out how the show is bad because it reinforces the "women are crazy" trope all while ignoring the fact that another female in the series who was equally well developed is so far the hero and MVP of the entire series and may well be the one to save everyone.

People were already complaining about the season long before the heel turn. 8x03 was loved by the casuals but most fans of the book hated. It's not that hard to see how ending the threat of the Others in 1 episode with only 2 major characters dying on the fight and then everyone's off to fight Cersei and Euron is underwhelming, how having The Night King killed by acharacter that had no relation to that storyline feels like just for the sake of a plot twist. How Bran literally doesn't do anything but be bait. And then 8x04 was so poorly written that you could see everyone starting to share disappointment. Anyone can see how "She kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" is a dumb excuse for dumb writing. How is dumb that Rhaegal dies so easily like that(but somehow on the next episode they don't even get close to hitting a dragon). How Bronn's sideplot is completely irrelevant.

If you go on reddit, most people understand that Dany going mad(or at least going down a dark path) is something that would make sense, and that GRMM is gonna do on the books, but that the show has done poorly. And if you give a **** about Dany's character arc, you could see how the fact that they "fOrEsHaDoWeD" isn't enough to justify her latest development. But clearly you don't, so claiming that "Lol obviously it was gonna happen" and dismissing everyone who disagrees is the easy way.

The "foreshadowing" on the show these days is just pure "tell don't show". They have the characters talking all the time about how Dany might not be trustworthy, giving her side glances and making worried faces. Then on the previews they cherry pick the most obvious "Look how she's bad!!!" lines. But they never actually develop her into becoming that. We're just supposed to accept that "Well, she's a Targaryen so of course she's mad". D&D talk themselves on the Behind the Episode that the reason she's like that is... Because she's a Targaryen.

The character I'm assuming you're saying is the hero of everything, was the one who killed an entire family and fucking cooked their bodies into pies for their father to eat. Far more creepy than anything Dany has ever done. But for her it's just "Lol badass!". Most characters have done questionable things, but for Dany it has to be "See!!! She was mad all along!!!!! Look how she let her brother die!!!" even though that scene was never done with the intention of showing Dany as possibly being crazy. This is retroactive writing bullshit. The whole foreshadowing thing when it comes to GOT is bullshit. They tried so hard to make the whole "Arya was destined to kill the NK, remember when Melisandre told her so!" even though that quote by Mel was on at time where they didn't even know how they were gonna end the show and kill the Night King.

Gonna link those, for anyone who might wanna be interested in more talk about this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlNyqhnc1M
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/dupl...t_the_lack_of/

[Somecrazyaussie]

Television is definitely where the innovation is. There in no denying it. With such a huge demand for content across multiple streaming platforms, we are getting a slew of shows of all shapes and sizes. Some are good and others are bad. Where television excels is in character development and longform storytelling. Imagine if a series with the nuance like Breaking Bad was restricted to a 2hr film. It would be entertaining, but definitely shallow. The one upside is that a variety of different source material, most that would never have gotten a chance on the big screen, is now being actively sought and adapted.

Hollywood no longer takes the chances like it once did. Which is understandable. Movie studios first priority is in making money. So they are very hesitant to invest in untried or tested properties. So the field is restricted to proven franchises, remakes, reboots, prequels and sequels. But the investment behind a standard film is beyond the current reach of most networks. So, as others have said, the effects are much more spectacular than those of a television series.

[CliffHanger2]

I think T.V has definitely benefited from being able to binge watch. But nah there's some t.v shows I really enjoy but a lot of it is generic/rehash. Really bogged down by too much drama. It's like ppl sitting around depressed and crying every episode, it's like enough already.

[SiegePerilous02]

People were already complaining about the season long before the heel turn. 8x03 was loved by the casuals but most fans of the book hated. It's not that hard to see how ending the threat of the Others in 1 episode with only 2 major characters dying on the fight and then everyone's off to fight Cersei and Euron is underwhelming, how having The Night King killed by acharacter that had no relation to that storyline feels like just for the sake of a plot twist. How Bran literally doesn't do anything but be bait. And then 8x04 was so poorly written that you could see everyone starting to share disappointment. Anyone can see how "She kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet" is a dumb excuse for dumb writing. How is dumb that Rhaegal dies so easily like that(but somehow on the next episode they don't even get close to hitting a dragon). How Bronn's sideplot is completely irrelevant.

If you go on reddit, most people understand that Dany going mad(or at least going down a dark path) is something that would make sense, and that GRMM is gonna do on the books, but that the show has done poorly. And if you give a **** about Dany's character arc, you could see how the fact that they "fOrEsHaDoWeD" isn't enough to justify her latest development. But clearly you don't, so claiming that "Lol obviously it was gonna happen" and dismissing everyone who disagrees is the easy way.

The "foreshadowing" on the show these days is just pure "tell don't show". They have the characters talking all the time about how Dany might not be trustworthy, giving her side glances and making worried faces. Then on the previews they cherry pick the most obvious "Look how she's bad!!!" lines. But they never actually develop her into becoming that. We're just supposed to accept that "Well, she's a Targaryen so of course she's mad". D&D talk themselves on the Behind the Episode that the reason she's like that is... Because she's a Targaryen.

The character I'm assuming you're saying is the hero of everything, was the one who killed an entire family and fucking cooked their bodies into pies for their father to eat. Far more creepy than anything Dany has ever done. But for her it's just "Lol badass!". Most characters have done questionable things, but for Dany it has to be "See!!! She was mad all along!!!!! Look how she let her brother die!!!" even though that scene was never done with the intention of showing Dany as possibly being crazy. This is retroactive writing bullshit. The whole foreshadowing thing when it comes to GOT is bullshit. They tried so hard to make the whole "Arya was destined to kill the NK, remember when Melisandre told her so!" even though that quote by Mel was on at time where they didn't even know how they were gonna end the show and kill the Night King.

Gonna link those, for anyone who might wanna be interested in more talk about this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlNyqhnc1M
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/dupl...t_the_lack_of/

This. The best writing to come out of this season is the memes.

It's not like the main story beats themselves are that bad, even Dany going mad, but the way they got there has been pretty crappy and rushed. When the actual creators say things like "she just kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" and "she saw the castle and just went sorta crazy I guess" in after episode interviews for all the world to see, and the actors are clearly unimpressed with what they have been given to work with, it speaks for itself.

[Osiris-Rex]

People look at Game of Thrones and think HBO is huge because GoT gets a 5.0 rating. But the next highest rated show is Westworld, with a 0.6. If you look at the ratings for the other HBO shows
they don't really do any better than the CW shows, some a lot worse. Total viewers are also similar to CW shows. So its not like a lot of people are going to watch something on HBO as compared
to how many people go out to see a movie. Consider Westworld has an average of 1.6 million viewers. Even Justice League had 25 million tickets sold. So if you want a lot of people to watch your
product, make a movie.

[Powerboy]

With a movie, you can take everything you've got and throw it at the audience in two or three hours. A television show has to pace itself. But a movie that costs hundreds of millions to make can't slow the pace too much because they've got to get people coming to see it over and over and that means lots of CGI and battles. A TV show has time to get more into the details of the story. Of course, this can backfire if you don't haver enough material fort 22 episodes or whatever.

I don't think there's really any difference. Different approaches but quality is quality. There is something to be said for subtlety and suggestion and getting everything into a movie that would take a season in a show.

[PwrdOn]

Honestly I feel like one of the big reasons for the success of prestige television in recent years is the growth of internet piracy and how it has changed people's viewing habits. Piracy made binge watching a thing, which in turn made serialized storytelling a lot more viable than it was when people were forced to tune in at the same time each week or risk missing critical parts of the story. On the other hand, churning out low budget repetitive chaff became much less viable, because people now had easy access to vast libraries of older material, and so could pick up easily on lazy or derivative writing.

[AndrewCrossett]

People look at Game of Thrones and think HBO is huge because GoT gets a 5.0 rating. But the next highest rated show is Westworld, with a 0.6. If you look at the ratings for the other HBO shows
they don't really do any better than the CW shows, some a lot worse. Total viewers are also similar to CW shows. So its not like a lot of people are going to watch something on HBO as compared
to how many people go out to see a movie. Consider Westworld has an average of 1.6 million viewers. Even Justice League had 25 million tickets sold. So if you want a lot of people to watch your
product, make a movie.

But HBO viewers are directly paying HBO to watch their shows. The measure of success for an HBO show is not strictly how many people watch, but whether it contributes to a body of content that people will be willing to pay to see.

If you're going to make a show like Justice League, then by all means make a movie. But the ONLY movies that make a significant profit nowadays are CGI Monsters and Explosions movies, CGI animated movies, and the occasional star-studded rom-com. Anything else... if you want people to watch your product, make a TV/streaming show.

[Mister Mets]

I don't know if it's much better but TV has gotten better and is more of a threat to films in terms of offering equivalent artistic merit.

The return of the mini-series, and the one season anthology shows, has allowed television to handle more complex material than films, which are limited to telling shorter stories (films are more novellas than novels.)

Films do have some advantages, including the level of artistic talent in top projects. A top director could devote years of their life to making a two hour film; that's not happening with shows.

Shows do allow viewers to become invested in characters, although there may be issues with consistency that prevent the shows from having satisfying conclusions.