A Grand old Martial Arts Tournament!

[Nik Hasta]

You might be thinking about Ranma versus some other high-end fighter. We had one of those recently, and you participated. ^_^ Ranma versus Senator Armstrong.

The little I've seen of him puts him a tad above Ranma. There's the speed thing, there's the durability, there's the raw strength (Ranma is ridiculously strong -- we're getting into Class 50-60 with Ranma and Ryouga, in my opinion -- but Kenshiro is beyond that), there's the 'touch and die' stuff...

There it is. I was confused.

Not helped in my memory by the fact I used the phrase "to do a Kenshiro," in that thread.

Where is Goku in this thread?

It's Kid Goku, specifically from when he fought King Piccolo, he's Kenshiro's first match in the bracket.

I'm of the opinion that Kid Goku at that time isn't beyond Kenshiro's ability to takedown reliably. Speed bracket is still, if anything, in Kenshiro's favour. Goku hasn't gotten to the point where he's point and clicking small countries and such. Kenshiro really only needs to touch him and he has Musou Tensei and all that.

[Sharpandpointies]

I somehow missed that. Thanks, all.

I'm uncertain about Kid Goku, but I would guess Ranma is at least at his level (unless I'm totally missing something).

Edit: *notes the comment about him taking down Piccolo, who at the time (I believe) was blowing up mountains or something* Nvmd....

[Nik Hasta]

I somehow missed that. Thanks, all.

I'm uncertain about Kid Goku, but I would guess Ranma is at least at his level (unless I'm totally missing something).

Edit: *notes the comment about him taking down Piccolo, who at the time (I believe) was blowing up mountains or something* Nvmd....

King Piccolo, not Piccolo Jr bear in mind. King Piccolo was blasting chunks out of cities with some charge time.

[Sol_M]

I somehow missed that. Thanks, all.

I'm uncertain about Kid Goku, but I would guess Ranma is at least at his level (unless I'm totally missing something).

Edit: *notes the comment about him taking down Piccolo, who at the time (I believe) was blowing up mountains or something* Nvmd....

Hilariously, I think Kenshiro would probably take longer to kill Ranma as compared to Kid Goku since Ranma can go invisible, is probably faster than Kid Goku, and so on, while Kid Goku can't really go on the defensive vs Kenshiro. He's stupidly durable though, so it might take a while, who knows?

Neither of them have any real counter to Musou Tensei, so offensive ability doesn't matter anyway.

[Sharpandpointies]

King Piccolo, not Piccolo Jr bear in mind. King Piccolo was blasting chunks out of cities with some charge time.

...my knowledge of DB is spotty at best. I have vague memories of thumbing through some of the manga in the bookstore, and there's what I hear on this board.

Still, blowing up sections of a city put him above Ranma rather comfortably.

Hilariously, I think Kenshiro would probably take longer to kill Ranma as compared to Kid Goku since Ranma can go invisible, is probably faster than Kid Goku, and so on, while Kid Goku can't really go on the defensive vs Kenshiro. He's stupidly durable though, so it might take a while, who knows?

Neither of them have any real counter to Musou Tensei, so offensive ability doesn't matter anyway.

I'll take your word for it. ^_^

[Jcogginsa]

Hilariously, I think Kenshiro would probably take longer to kill Ranma as compared to Kid Goku since Ranma can go invisible, is probably faster than Kid Goku, and so on, while Kid Goku can't really go on the defensive vs Kenshiro. He's stupidly durable though, so it might take a while, who knows?

Neither of them have any real counter to Musou Tensei, so offensive ability doesn't matter anyway.

There's also the issue of Ken's pressure points being designed for humans, which Goku isn't.

[Nik Hasta]

There's also the issue of Ken's pressure points being designed for humans, which Goku isn't.

There is nothing to suggest that Goku's physiology is too different for Hokuto Shinken would not work.

He's done it on animals, no reason why it wouldn't work on Goku.

Also, phase fist doesn't really care about physiology specifics.

[master of read]

There is nothing to suggest that Goku's physiology is too different for Hokuto Shinken would not work.

He's done it on animals, no reason why it wouldn't work on Goku.

Also, phase fist doesn't really care about physiology specifics.

outside of his tail, there really isn't much to say that saiyan biology is massivelly different from humans to say that pressure points wouldn't work on him.

hmmmm. didn't beerus use pressure points on goku and/or vegeta? trying to remember if he did or not.

[The Arbiter]

Saiyan biology is similar enough to be compatible for mating. And the offspring are still capable of reproducing. So they are closer than horses are to donkeys.

....of course that makes NO SENSE considering tails, Zenkai boosts, natural toughness, moon transformations, ssj transformations and stuff like saiyan hair never changing or needing cutting.

But whatever!!

[Jcogginsa]

There is nothing to suggest that Goku's physiology is too different for Hokuto Shinken would not work.

He's done it on animals, no reason why it wouldn't work on Goku.

Also, phase fist doesn't really care about physiology specifics.

That just means he knows where the pressure points on the animals are. I recall a case in FOTN where Ken's Hokuto Shinken didn't work because the Opponent's pressure points were where he expected

[Nik Hasta]

That just means he knows where the pressure points on the animals are. I recall a case in FOTN where Ken's Hokuto Shinken didn't work because the Opponent's pressure points were where he expected

That was Souther whose body had a mutation where his entire circulatory system was reversed so conventional pressure points didn't work very well on him. There is nothing to suggest that Goku has a system that is as different to a normal human.

Further to that, when Kenshiro figured it out that it was just the same thing but backward, he killed Souther pretty easily.

Also, again, phase fist doesn't care about your biology so it's an immaterial point.

[big_adventure]

Saiyan biology is similar enough to be compatible for mating. And the offspring are still capable of reproducing. So they are closer than horses are to donkeys.

....of course that makes NO SENSE considering tails, Zenkai boosts, natural toughness, moon transformations, ssj transformations and stuff like saiyan hair never changing or needing cutting.

But whatever!!