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    I think it's once again time for Marvel and DC to do another cross over. I would think that they learned from what they did right, and what they did wrong from the last disaster. Right now at this moment comics are dealt with in so many different ways then they were back 1996. Even more so because of the films, both companies have a more diversely targeted audience. Age is a the largest factor in my opinion. The demographic, even tho both companies do their best to bring in the younger new readers as potential future customers, it's the adult age group of over 18, but it's even larger with 24 years of age that are keeping the printed comic book industry alive and surviving. The biggest mistake both companies made before, was that the stories came off like they were written for 8 year olds and it showed. They let the public pick the winners of the fights, so the popularity of a character got in the way and the people hated it. Even the readers that might have been a larger fan of say Wolverine, Wolverine beating Lobo was just stupid. Even in the world of fiction comics, it irked a lot of people. I would think this simple approach would leave everyone happy. Fans of BOTH companies, or simply one of the two more then the other. Each Company writes their own version of particular story. Let's use the example say Aquaman vs Namor. DC writes it's own version of what happens when they meet. If they fight each other. If they UNITE against a common foe, or maybe against a villain from both Marvel AND DC. They write the story they want to write. Marvel in turn does the same. How ever they choose to write the story. Using this approach I would think would bring out the talent in the writing. Instead of Namor beats Aquaman, or Aquaman beats Namor, and one company trying to one up the other, it'll be about the writing. That would surely be the best thing for the reader. Possibly leave it the outcome closed to each company as long as they both share a common commitment of respect for each and don't totally bad mouth the other company in a way that could be harmful. Another reason I would like to see the cross over is because both companies are now putting more emphasis on villains. Reforming some characters or long arch focusing on villains is common now. I would love to see story between Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom. If they battles, or teamed up. Also, not just some battle books like Superman vs Thor (think that would be a higher demand now then Superman vs Hulk) or even Sentry, a popular villain from one company against a hero from the other. Deathstroke vs Wolverine or Taskmaster. Batman is superior to Daredevil, but what about Daredevil and Nightwing in a book. A surprising unknown but known character that would make sense to cross paths with another character like Wolverine and Deathstroke, or even more so, Wolverine vs Midnighter. I would believe Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle and Miles Morales Spider-Man would be golden. I would also LOVE to read a story involving the Flashes Rogues and Spider-Man's Sinister Six, or a group of his own rogues. Each company decides the length of the story themselves too. Even some that are similar, but also different. Bruce Wayne vs Tony Stark? It's a simple method and idea that I would think that if I could any higher up from either company to actually sit down with me, let me put a couple drinks in them, and explain my approach, it could work. Plus, even the most employees that work for one of the two companies will take the side of their team, they all are fans of at least one character from one of the other companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyjam2233 View Post
    I think it's once again time for Marvel and DC to do another cross over. I would think that they learned from what they did right, and what they did wrong from the last disaster. Right now at this moment comics are dealt with in so many different ways then they were back 1996. Even more so because of the films, both companies have a more diversely targeted audience. Age is a the largest factor in my opinion. The demographic, even tho both companies do their best to bring in the younger new readers as potential future customers, it's the adult age group of over 18, but it's even larger with 24 years of age that are keeping the printed comic book industry alive and surviving. The biggest mistake both companies made before, was that the stories came off like they were written for 8 year olds and it showed. They let the public pick the winners of the fights, so the popularity of a character got in the way and the people hated it. Even the readers that might have been a larger fan of say Wolverine, Wolverine beating Lobo was just stupid. Even in the world of fiction comics, it irked a lot of people. I would think this simple approach would leave everyone happy. Fans of BOTH companies, or simply one of the two more then the other. Each Company writes their own version of particular story. Let's use the example say Aquaman vs Namor. DC writes it's own version of what happens when they meet. If they fight each other. If they UNITE against a common foe, or maybe against a villain from both Marvel AND DC. They write the story they want to write. Marvel in turn does the same. How ever they choose to write the story. Using this approach I would think would bring out the talent in the writing. Instead of Namor beats Aquaman, or Aquaman beats Namor, and one company trying to one up the other, it'll be about the writing. That would surely be the best thing for the reader. Possibly leave it the outcome closed to each company as long as they both share a common commitment of respect for each and don't totally bad mouth the other company in a way that could be harmful. Another reason I would like to see the cross over is because both companies are now putting more emphasis on villains. Reforming some characters or long arch focusing on villains is common now. I would love to see story between Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom. If they battles, or teamed up. Also, not just some battle books like Superman vs Thor (think that would be a higher demand now then Superman vs Hulk) or even Sentry, a popular villain from one company against a hero from the other. Deathstroke vs Wolverine or Taskmaster. Batman is superior to Daredevil, but what about Daredevil and Nightwing in a book. A surprising unknown but known character that would make sense to cross paths with another character like Wolverine and Deathstroke, or even more so, Wolverine vs Midnighter. I would believe Jamie Reyes Blue Beetle and Miles Morales Spider-Man would be golden. I would also LOVE to read a story involving the Flashes Rogues and Spider-Man's Sinister Six, or a group of his own rogues. Each company decides the length of the story themselves too. Even some that are similar, but also different. Bruce Wayne vs Tony Stark? It's a simple method and idea that I would think that if I could any higher up from either company to actually sit down with me, let me put a couple drinks in them, and explain my approach, it could work. Plus, even the most employees that work for one of the two companies will take the side of their team, they all are fans of at least one character from one of the other companies.
    Their last crossover I think was JLA/Avengers, which was actually pretty good IMO. So I think they definately learned a lot from their previous BIG attempt at a cross over, which did kinda suck.

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    Bendis is still on his Batman / Daredevil crossover push. He seems to think it might just be possible one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKtheMac View Post
    Bendis is still on his Batman / Daredevil crossover push. He seems to think it might just be possible one day.
    It can't be worse that the other two.
    I think restorative nostalgia is the number one issue with comic book fans.
    A fine distinction between two types of Nostalgia:

    Reflective Nostalgia allows us to savor our memories but accepts that they are in the past
    Restorative Nostalgia pushes back against the here and now, keeping us stuck trying to relive our glory days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKtheMac View Post
    Bendis is still on his Batman / Daredevil crossover push. He seems to think it might just be possible one day.
    If anyone has the stroke to do it, it's Bendis.

    Still, I won't hold my breath. With Marvel now being owned by Disney, the number of suits needed to make this work could probably fill a mid-sized stadium.

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    Now while I would love for them to do this. I think a Predator vs Wolverine or a Predator vs Kraven would be an awesome crossover. I would almost have to say, "what is in it for Marvel?" Is the deciding factor that stops it from happening.
    I think restorative nostalgia is the number one issue with comic book fans.
    A fine distinction between two types of Nostalgia:

    Reflective Nostalgia allows us to savor our memories but accepts that they are in the past
    Restorative Nostalgia pushes back against the here and now, keeping us stuck trying to relive our glory days.

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    Yeah, legal complexities aside these crossovers usually come a place it which the holders of both IPs feel that they have something to gain from teaming up. That or they're promotional material in which one company very explicitly pays the other to feature their characters or products with them.

    Many companies could benefit from having their IP featured alongside Marvel, but Marvel being owned by Disney is about as big as it gets.
    Continuity, even in a "shared" comics universe is often insignificant if not largely detrimental to the quality of a comic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMikel View Post
    Now while I would love for them to do this. I think a Predator vs Wolverine or a Predator vs Kraven would be an awesome crossover. I would almost have to say, "what is in it for Marvel?" Is the deciding factor that stops it from happening.
    Yeah, there was a bit more to gain when DC had the more iconic characters, even if marvel was selling better. Now that a lot of the Avengers are house hold names too, even if not to the same degree as Superman and Batman, there's definately incentive on marvels part to have their guys standing next to Superman and Batman.

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    I would love to see the Amalgam universe revisited.

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    Why not a crossover within Marvel's IP and do one between the Marvel and Star Wars universes. I'd like to see Darth Vader vs Doctor Doom or maybe they two of them teaming up. Throw in the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Silver Surfer etc and have some fun.

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    I can't believe there aren't more of these. Everyone said when Disney bought Marvel that there would be loads of them, but none that I've seen. I think it's a missed opportunity.

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    Disney buying the company made the prospect of crossovers less likely, not more. IIRC the great Kurt Busiek said in a retrospective on JLA/Avengers a while back that it would be unlikely for something like that to happen now in a world where the IPs are owned by rival mega-corporations.

    There is a bit in the slugfest book where the author notes how Marvel editorial was hesitant to pull the trigger on the Superman vs. Spider-Man crossover back in the day because there was some worry that appearing with Spidey would boost Superman's sales. That's a concern that probably travels much further in a massive corporate environment where the stakes are way bigger than monthly comic book sales.
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    Marvel in kingdom hearts. Do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Marvel in kingdom hearts. Do it.
    I got a good chuckle out of the Smash guys very not so subtly implying getting permission from Disney to put Sora in Smash was difficult as hell.

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