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    No character is redundant when written well
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    Way back, as a super-strong feral bad-guy with permanent facial scars from a fight with Spider-Man where he ripped webbing off of his face and the webbing turned out to be stronger than the skin of his face (ouchie!), he was intriguing as an Iron Fist/Spider-Man foe.

    Once the X-team glommed onto him and gave him Wolverine powers, his entire role has been how much he is or isn't like Wolverine, and since Wolverine is pretty much as badass as he can get, Creed can't ever grow or change in any meaningful way, being 100% defined by his relationship to Wolverine (and since being absorbed by the X-franchise and becoming a regenerator, 'never changing' is literally one of his super-powers).

    That's boring.

    As 'anti-Wolverine's go, Deathstrike intrigues me more, because she can lose parts, and get upgrades (and yet each 'upgrade' representing a loss of yet more of her humanity...). She's way more dynamic, and has a more interesting personal / emotional arc, IMO, than Creed will ever be allowed to have.

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    No more redundant than Carnage. And the latter is hard to avoid lately. They need to stop making him look like Tyler Mane and treating him like a dumb thug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    No more redundant than Carnage. And the latter is hard to avoid lately. They need to stop making him look like Tyler Mane and treating him like a dumb thug.
    And don't forget, people pointing out how it seems like the film Brotherhood back together in POX. More Tyler Mane for ya. That's a bad sign if it's true. Him becoming a Brotherhood member is where his character assassination started.
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    In comes Chuck Austen.

    Creed's been on the following teams.
    • The Marauders
    • Exodus's Brotherhood
    • Avengers 1959 -this was the worst one!
    • Pak's Weapon X

    He was a useless moron in all of them. Writers wanna use him for a dumb team bruiser, and since he's always getting his ass beat, he's useless. Only Bunn was an exception to doing this. Otherwise, use Glob or Blob for dumb team muscle. Creed does not fit there.

    If Creed is working for Magneto & Mystique in POX, it may not be any different. The lesser evil would be using him as a baddie they have to fight, which means no romance with Mystique. He gets beaten once & disappears, compared to being on a team where the jobbing would be continuous for multiple chapters. lol
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    There have only been two times to me when Sabertooth was interesting character, one was when the Fox movies made him Logan half brother (this should have Victor origin in the comics) the other is when Sabertooth was written by Neal Adams in the storyline: First X-Men.

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    Concerning the jobbing, every battle between Logan and Victor should be a too-close-to-call affair, with Creed maybe having the slight edge in spite of Logan's skeleton.

    Anything that says or shows Sabretooth as vastly inferior to Wolverine (even with Logan fighting smart and pulling dirty tricks) should be ignored, IMO.

    Also, Sabretooth as Logan's real daddy... yea or nay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaja View Post
    Concerning the jobbing, every battle between Logan and Victor should be a too-close-to-call affair, with Creed maybe having the slight edge in spite of Logan's skeleton.

    Anything that says or shows Sabretooth as vastly inferior to Wolverine (even with Logan fighting smart and pulling dirty tricks) should be ignored, IMO.

    Also, Sabretooth as Logan's real daddy... yea or nay?
    BIG nay on the daddy part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaja View Post
    Also, Sabretooth as Logan's real daddy... yea or nay?
    I wasn't opposed to the idea. It would've been better than all the mess we have now in terms of Logan's family. And Dog Logan was the worst, whom FOX merged with Sabretooth (brilliant /sarcasm) and now tons of people think the two of them are bothers.

    Plus Sabretooth being Wolverine's father would explain the similarities with reason, rather than Creed being too much of a rip-off that just randomly exists. lol In general, I preferred Claremont's vision. Creed as the father, and this original who is better than his son. It gives Logan a genuine struggle, and a more personal one of living to to and trying to surpass his father. Plus using Creed's existing backstory, unlike his son, he actually did succeed in killing his father.

    But sadly, Claremont left and didn't exactly confirm a lot of things, so much as just left hints and badda boom, subsequent writers ignored and started their own visions.

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    He and his former lover Mystique had their best times in the 90's. Now they are a reason for mr. TPP NOT buy issues they are in because it became boring.
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    Creed has jobbed to, by my recollection
    Iron Fist
    Wolverine (often)
    Jean Grey (twice, once when he was still susceptible to telepaths, then again when he was on the run following his escape.....both times Logan wasn’t around.....both times Creed didn’t even get past the TK field)
    Cyclops (took a tight angled Optic Blast to the forehead)
    Gambit

    I’m sure there are more......but Wolverine and Iron Fist are his two most well known classic foes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Fang View Post
    And don't forget, people pointing out how it seems like the film Brotherhood back together in POX. More Tyler Mane for ya. That's a bad sign if it's true. Him becoming a Brotherhood member is where his character assassination started.
    RCO023_1466116268.jpg
    In comes Chuck Austen.

    Creed's been on the following teams.
    • The Marauders
    • Exodus's Brotherhood
    • Avengers 1959 -this was the worst one!
    • Pak's Weapon X

    He was a useless moron in all of them. Writers wanna use him for a dumb team bruiser, and since he's always getting his ass beat, he's useless. Only Bunn was an exception to doing this. Otherwise, use Glob or Blob for dumb team muscle. Creed does not fit there.

    If Creed is working for Magneto & Mystique in POX, it may not be any different. The lesser evil would be using him as a baddie they have to fight, which means no romance with Mystique. He gets beaten once & disappears, compared to being on a team where the jobbing would be continuous for multiple chapters. lol
    Creed st times has been slightly smarter than say Solomon Grundy, Killer Croc.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Sound View Post
    He and his former lover Mystique had their best times in the 90's. Now they are a reason for mr. TPP NOT buy issues they are in because it became boring.
    Nothing former about it. She's a continuous lover for Sabretooth to puppy-dog after while she sleeps with every other man in the M.U. More writer bias there. Mystique is written as Creed's main love, meanwhile he certainly is not her's, which makes him look like a chump...Is Mystique the only woman he's ever had? Canon says no, but the way he's written around her post-Aaron gives that vibe. Someone will eventually write he lost his virginity to her. lol

    Wolverine has a new one-off love interest all throughout his solos. For all of what they use Sabretooth for, they could give him an OC love interest now & again and stop having him as Mystique's whipping boy.

    Moving on, I can't blame you. Seeing that Creed is in a book always raises the question. Is he necessary? Again, for all of what they use him for, they can put any d-lister or less prominent villain in his spot. Surely we have plenty of them. So I never get too excited about Creed being in a book, because 9.8/10 times, he's gonna be a complete joke. And him being in a book with Mystique is a double-negative for me. Again, I don't know WHY the HELL the X-Office is so stuck on putting these two together. I hate Spuffy with a red hot intensity, but at least they made sense -compared to Aaron making Crystique a couple he pulled from the deep recesses of his ass that every subsequent writer, except Bunn, has stuck with. Why can they stick with the GOOD developments Creed had? lol This why he's in trouble. The good stuff written is ignored while anything that makes him look bad is what writers hold on to.
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