I like them all, Morrison/Snyder/King, do you?

[Arnoldoaad]

I really liked Grant Morrison's Batman run
then when it ended I read Scott Snyder's and I like it a lot
and then I read and still read Kings run and I like it too

Am I the only one?

I ask this because I notice a lot of negativity that comes from threads of Kings run, I dont enter into many discussions here, however I dont see them as new. I clearly remember reading the exact same things about Snyder
that he was the worst writer to ever touch batman
Overrated
he ruined him forever
OMG OWLS!!
really? this March guy looks just like Bruce, WTH Capullo, you suck!!

and Morrison was not different
what the hell, a kid, for batman
OMG what is he is snoring now
What am I reading!!!(this last one is still valid for FC7)

I of course have my own critisisms on these runs But I never thought that they were ruining the character or that they werent entertaining for the least.

I really dislike some of the deconstruction aspects that Morrison did to batman, I think he could had been more straightforward and I never really liked his take on the Joker very much but I liked Dr Hurt even less, just never stoke me as a big villain and his motivation just wasnt very clear to me.

I think Snyder had a bad habit on trying to reform to many aspects of Batman that some didnt hit, like the new origins for Mr Freeze and Hush were completely unnesesary for example
basically if it wasnt broken dont try to fix it
and his Death of the Family was an overall weak story for what was a pretty good concept

King's pacing is pretty bad, some stories move too slow while others move too quick, Knightmares should had been 4 issues at the most not 8, but I overall liked the idea.

The biggest flaw that I have seen in other Batman writers is that I read an story and I felt that I have read it before, like it didnt leave a mark on the characters or on the world. they become forgettable after some time.
I can honestly say that neither of the 3 main writers of the past 15 years have make that mistake.

[Chubistian]

You certainly aren't the only one because I really liked their Batman respectively and I'm enjoying King's current take. I don't share every critisism you make, and you probably won't share my own, but I think we agree in your final sentence. I like that they're giving me distinct versions of the same character instead of going with forgettable and not risked storylines. I think Batman has had a lot of great writers (and sure, some not so great) from quite a while and, what I consider even better, there has been produced a lot of comics appealing to different tastes, so if you don't like a title, there's always another one to follow (though of course there will always be people that won't care for any title. But that's unavoidable). Batman, Tec, Damned, Last Knight coming soon, another White Knight, etcetera. I think Batman is one of the characters who has had the most luck when it comes to quality and variety

[Batman Begins 2005]

Yes and no.

I LOVE Grant Morrison's Batman run, my favourite comic book run ever. Batman and Robin the standout with frequent highlights from the whole run. Batman #666 comes straight to mind, likewise Space Medicine.

I really liked Scott Snyder's run specially The Black Mirror which he never topped and Endgame. Court of Owls is overrated. Hate the Mr. Freeze origin revamp. That's the worst Snyder's ever written.

Didn't like Tom King's Batman barring the odd exception in Batman Annual #2 and The Button crossover.

[bob.schoonover]

I enjoy all three. I have all of them in floppies, and am getting the Morrison and Snyder omnibuses (I'm hoping we get a Snyder w/o Capullo omni for Black Mirror, All Star, Gates, & the Signal). They're each different interpretations, but they all keep me entertained and show off a passion for the character

[MajorHoy]

. . . Didn't like Tom King's Batman barring the odd exception in Batman Annual #2 and The Button crossover.

About "The Button" crossover: King didn't even script that second Batman issue (#22).
Joshua Williamson did that (though King was still involved in the plotting/story with Williamson).

[phonogram12]

I liked the very beginning of Morrison's run, but that petered out long before Final Crisis and his death.

I liked most of Snyder's run up until they put Gordon in the suit, but then I didn't hop back on until Bruce was put back into it. I felt his All-Star Batman was a bit uneven, but I gotta say, I LOVED the last arc of that series that focused on Alfred.

For me, anyways, there's been a few misses with King's run, but when he hit, they were goddamn grand slams. And he is literally the only writer since the Bronze Age that at all convinced me that Bruce & Selina have the least bit of chemistry. Regardless of how he ends his work on Batman, I can't wait to see it.

[Restingvoice]

They have their own positives and negatives

I love Morrison's approach to continuity and he brought back a lot of insane Batman history and found a way to mix it with the modern era, but I can see how people hate it because Post Crisis started out very down to earth, and then there's his Talia.

Snyder's probably my favorite in term of character voice and his series of game-changing epic feels like every story is important, but as others already said, it's ridiculous how many disaster Gotham can face in such a short time.

King is the opposite of Snyder in that his story is so decompressed. I like some of his voices but not all. He also seems to be more often out of the three to write out of character in order to fit his idea. He's probably my least favorite of the three. I was actually interested in the plan he made for Bane, but man, get on with it.

[MajorHoy]

I liked the very beginning of Morrison's run, but that petered out long before Final Crisis and his death.

You may want to amend "his death" to "Batman's death", since Morrison (the only person/character mentioned in that sentence) was still alive last I was aware.

[jb681131]

I really liked Grant Morrison's Batman run
then when it ended I read Scott Snyder's and I like it a lot
and then I read and still read Kings run and I like it too

You can see the talent in Morrison's run.
But except the Owl arc, I don't see what's really to like in Snyders storie.
For King it's different because you can see he tries innovative things, but he stretches them for full 6 chapters stories making each chapter en bit empty and stupid. (with some exceptions)

Am I the only one?

No you are not

I ask this because I notice a lot of negativity that comes from threads of Kings run, I dont enter into many discussions here, however I dont see them as new. I clearly remember reading the exact same things about Snyder
that he was the worst writer to ever touch batman
Overrated
he ruined him forever
OMG OWLS!!
really? this March guy looks just like Bruce, WTH Capullo, you suck!!

Yes Snyder and King are both bad at writting Batman in their own way.
The Only reason Snyder is a little less hated is because of Capullo and the invention of the Court of Owl, and his use of the Joker.

and Morrison was not different
what the hell, a kid, for batman
OMG what is he is snoring now
What am I reading!!!(this last one is still valid for FC7)

Morrison is a very good writter.
But in the middle of his run he incorporate lots of old stories and some fantastic stuff that were complicated to understand and a bit confusing.

I of course have my own critisisms on these runs But I never thought that they were ruining the character or that they werent entertaining for the least.

Well when you really study the runs of the 90's and Morrsion's, you really see that Snyder and King have very poor writting skills.

I really dislike some of the deconstruction aspects that Morrison did to batman, I think he could had been more straightforward and I never really liked his take on the Joker very much but I liked Dr Hurt even less, just never stoke me as a big villain and his motivation just wasnt very clear to me.

Yes Dr. Hurt what his big faillure.
But to introduce Damian was very well.
And his Batman Inc. art is in my opinion excellent.

I think Snyder had a bad habit on trying to reform to many aspects of Batman that some didnt hit, like the new origins for Mr Freeze and Hush were completely unnesesary for example
basically if it wasnt broken dont try to fix it
and his Death of the Family was an overall weak story for what was a pretty good concept

Yes.
As well Snyder alwasy mishandled the ending of his stories.
The Owls arc starts of very good. But look how it ends.

King's pacing is pretty bad, some stories move too slow while others move too quick, Knightmares should had been 4 issues at the most not 8, but I overall liked the idea.

Exactly.

The biggest flaw that I have seen in other Batman writers is that I read an story and I felt that I have read it before, like it didnt leave a mark on the characters or on the world. they become forgettable after some time.
I can honestly say that neither of the 3 main writers of the past 15 years have make that mistake.

Yes they have, no one will ever concider Snyder or Scott has memorable writters in 5-10-20 years.
It's because they are recent that you remember them.
Before you had Chuck Dixon and his creation of Bane and his use of Azrael that was excellent.
You had Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker with the New Gotham arc and Bruce Wayne: Murderer ? / Fugitive arc that were magnificent.
Also what Paul Dini did on Detective Comics and Streets of Gotham and his great use of the Batman/Catwoman/Hush relationships.
They are way better reads than any recent runs in my opinion.

[JasonTodd428]

-I liked parts of Morrison's run, specifically his Batman and Robin, but beyond that I just couldn't get into his run at all. That's the problem with returning to comics just as his run was ending. I saw the ending before having read the rest and frankly that ruined the entirety of it for me. I'm one of those people that can't stand knowing the ending ahead of reading something so that probably didn't help things.

-Synder's run got tiresome after awhile because everything with him was "the next big game changing story". After a point I just felt as if he was trying to hard to outdo whatever his previous arc was and I really feel like that he lost sight along the way of what made his earlier work so enjoyable to me. I did enjoy the Court of Owls arc a lot though and I also liked Death of the Family.

-King is my favorite Bat writer by a mile but I realize that his work is perhaps a bit to esoteric for a mainline and flagship ongoing. I also realize that his work isn't for everyone so I don't have a beef with anyone who doesn't care for it. King's work just happens to be of interest to me personally is all even with all its flaws and even with parts of it that I didn't care for.

[Pohzee]

I like Morrison and I like King's runs. I hated Snyder's run with a burning passion. It got worse and worse over time to the point of self-parody. But he actually started out with the best stories of any of the three. So that's worth something.

[Arnoldoaad]

Yes Dr. Hurt what his big faillure.
But to introduce Damian was very well.
And his Batman Inc. art is in my opinion excellent.

Dr Hurt was a great challenge for batman but a dissaster of a character
there is a point on RIP in which he apparently returns as Thomas Wayne trying to trick everyone, not just bruce and no one remembers this, no one references this ever and im positive that not a single reader fall for it.

Yes.
As well Snyder alwasy mishandled the ending of his stories.
The Owls arc starts of very good. But look how it ends.

=/
I dont think so
I actually liked the end of CoO
and as much as i dislike it, I think the ending of Death of the family is best part of it.

Yes they have, no one will ever concider Snyder or Scott has memorable writters in 5-10-20 years.
It's because they are recent that you remember them.
Before you had Chuck Dixon and his creation of Bane and his use of Azrael that was excellent.
You had Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker with the New Gotham arc and Bruce Wayne: Murderer ? / Fugitive arc that were magnificent.
Also what Paul Dini did on Detective Comics and Streets of Gotham and his great use of the Batman/Catwoman/Hush relationships.
They are way better reads than any recent runs in my opinion.

I completely disagree
First Snyder is definitely not a recent writer, CoO started on 2011, when he finishes Last Knight he would had written Batman for over 8 years, and this not including his JL.

and I know not everything that they have done is as remember as other things but that doesnt mean they didnt leave a mark like the writers of No Man's Land. equally people remember some parts of NML more than others. the same for BW:murderer/fugitive.

people right now remember Morrison for Batman & Robin than his Batman RIP and most forget that Dr Hurt was even a thing.
I think people remember Snyder's run for stuff like CoO and Endgame more than Death of the family and Zero Year
and I believe people will remember King for I am Suicide and Rules of Engagement, and posibly the next arc more than what will happen next

My point is that those stories dont feel like will be forgotten as simply or as quickly as others
Like your example of Paul Dini
I love Paul Dini's take on Hush, thats the definitive Hush, even superior to Jeph Loeb's
and yet I dont think it is as memorable.
his Streets of Gotham was excellent but right now no aspects of it are relevant to the current continuity
and thats the mark right there
If it withstands a crisis or a reboot, it is and will be memorable.

Here is something that I just thought about
Hush is getting its animated adaptation
easily one of the most memorable comic stories in Batman in forever
but its a "run" or part of a "run" by Jeph Loeb
it was just 1 arc, 8 issues, begining, middle and end and still leave its mark. not that Loeb needed that because he wrote also The Long Halloween, one of the best Batman comics ever made and will never be washed away from history.
but Loeb also wrote Superman/Batman, which is less memorable(even though it was adapted by an animated movie before TLH, come on DC) but it doesnt detract from him as a great Batman writer.

so yeah It doesnt matter if King/Snyder/Morrison made some less good stories or bad stories they did made some iconic ones

[godisawesome]

I think I’d say I’m generally favorable towards all three, but not necessarily a fan, of that makes sense.

I own at least one arc from all three, and generally have one or two standout issues from them that I really, really enjoy... but I tend to be just a bit less attracted or addicted to the overall run, and tend to view them in the abstract.:

- Morrison’s introduction of Damian and the overall Batman RIP and Batman INC status quo changes were all good for me... but I’m not going to pretend like Morrison’s style of writing strikes my fancy, that I was reading every issue, or that I don’t own far more issues from Paul Dini and Fabian Nicieza’s companion runs from the same time.
- Snyder’s style is a bit more my speed, and I love most of Zero Year... but at a certain point I find myself just shrugging non-committally towards his more outlandish and over-the-top ideas, and his Joker actually isn’t my speed at all. Still, I like his style most of the time, and I see him as a great successor run to Morrison.
- King’s style does strike me as over-wrought at times, but I like a lot of his concepts, and if it weren’t for the head fake on the BatCat marriage, I’d probably like it a lot more. Still, he seems to be the first of the three to see Bane as the potentially greater Batman villain, he’s on one wavelength with me there.

[seusilva]

Today I read King's run from issue 60 until the last issue and it looks to me the most neurotic possible take on Batman. If you read too many issues one after another things start to get too numb haha but I like his inventions and how he tries to build things.

Morrison the first time I read was a bit confusing but with rereading the story makes a lot more sense and has lots of great moments. Batman Inc is my favourite and the ending with Damian is epic - he could be dead after that without a problem, a good ending.

Snyder run make me tired of the big events and apocalypses at Gotham. The arc with Mr Bloom don't make any sense after Endgame and Zero Year... but the guy knows how to write a fun tale and I read today Last Knight on Earth and I'm waiting for more! Black Mirror is one of my favourite Batman stories ever, all that noir stuff with Francavilla and Jock.

[exile001]

Back on topic...

Not a fan of Morrison's Batman run, his ethos, or it's legacy. That said, B&R was pretty good and I surprised myslef by really liked Batman Inc vol 2.

Snyder's run on Batman is fast food, quick, fun and easy. I loved it at the time, but actually have a hard job re-reading it these days. There were parts of Endgame I really disliked, and post Endgame I feel he really dropped the ball. That said, The Black Mirror from 'Tec, Death of the Family and Batman: Eternal (he is credited as lead writer) are all superb.

King's run is pretty much everything I want from a Batman book. I adore it. I'm not saying every single issue is the greatest thing I've ever read, but as a Batman run, I couldn't really ask for more. I hope I still feel this way after it ends (we still have a ways to go).

Moving forward, can we please stop with the "X is a bad writer"? None of these three are bad writers, all are among the greatest currently working in the field. You not enjoying a work, does not make them a bad writer. And I appreciate, I can be as guilty of this as anyone.