And? What’s that meant to mean? That if I had been alive back in 1986 to read Watchmen and not be telling people about the dangers of nuclear conflict, that doing little to no outside research about it is justified? Is that what you meant?
Well, now that you bring that up, at least in Hiroshima and Nagasaki’s cases, I’ll say that since nuclear attacks have destroyed thousands of innocent lives and that there’s still quite a bit of talk about them being used in modern times, I’d say that in at least one way I think we owe it to the victims and ourselves to do as much research as we can about it and have productive discussions that could potentially lead us to better understand the world around us, and also lead to possible solutions that could actively help with... well, not destroying humanity.
I agree with you. I was on board with the changes to the book to make it all about racism and everything, until they fucked with Dr. Manhattan as a character. It was okay for Hooded Justice because we never really knew him and I could buy that that was huge twist, but we KNOW Dr. Manhattan. This is not him.
He should not look like this Cal guy after she pulls out the real him. He just shouldn't. That's not him. And leaving a ten year gap in his memory for all that time? That means whoever the guy was she was with, it WASN'T Dr. Manhattan! A person who has total memory loss is not the same person. At all. And he doesn't have any memory of that entire time.
I don't like what they did here. First of all, Angela changes his body two weeks after meeting him, so she didn't want to be with "him" in the first place (he could have just looked like himself- Jon before the accident). Then he loses his memory entirely, so he's a completely different guy. Then he comes back, still has no memory of what happened and now looks like this Cal person but in blue?
NO. I don't like it. It fucks too much with the source material.
I'm catching up with the past two episodes and I dig the hell out of episode 8. Best superhero show on tv and I'm gonna miss it when it's gone.
PS. Looking Glass and Sister Night are the coolest modern-day superheroes so we gotta step up our game.
EDIT- Sorry I was unclear before. I meant in terms of character design they are pretty cool.
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I guess I kinda knew they had to use Doctor Manhattan but I wish they didn't. Not sure any of it works.
I would have preferred new characters, and leave Doctor Manhattan as more of an enigma. A lot of it seems simplistic. I do like everything with Hooded Justice a lot, and Looking Glass. Louis Gosset Jr. does a great job.
Sorry I mispoke as I meant in terms of character design.
To answer your question, yes. To me a cornerstone of being a superhero is the secret identity trope.
Granted that depends on how you define a superhero. To me Buffy is more a superhero than Walter White but they both do toy with the secret identity trope.
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Nothing against the person who voiced Dr Manhattan, but it took a bit of getting used to and it really made me appreciate the job Billy Crudup did with his voice in the movie.
"We're in the fight now."
This episode could easily be used to teach a variety of subjects in schools and universities (as could the series as a whole), specifically Time Paradoxes, Predestination, humanity's willingness to fight for the impossible and the age old question: why do people fall in love?
Invariably, there are myriad reasons - reminders, quirks, similarities, "GSH" etc., etc. But here we see a timey-wimey version of arguably the most plausible: we love those who accept us for what we are, but never stop fighting to make us (and our situations) better. She KNEW he knew what was going to happen. But she didn't want it to, so she fought the fight of futility. And against impossible odds.... she failed.
Nothing says love quite like that. And seeing that so clearly is absolutely the sort of happening that rekindles ones love for humanity and kindles ones love for a specific person.
Can't fault the superb (if probably not original) summary of relationships - necessarily doomed to end in tragedy of one kind or another. But then, isn't it really about the journey and not the destination...
Right. Clearly that was a novel affectation, as much from being disoriented and still being broadly Cal. Why would he revert to gis (unseen) face..? He's trying to catch up, dealing with a flood of retrospective understanding and fulfilling his role in the drama that was always unfolding.
Shoes? Not masks? You see no parallels between people who hide their true identity so they can fight society's bad influences for their own take on creating a better future and superheroes? You see not even the shadow of a line between two disparate groups of peculiarly American social reformers dominated by white men who hide behind masks and take the law into their own hands..? It may be reaching, but it's MUCH more than shoes.
In any case, bank robbers echo highwaymen and outlaws. Like Robin Hood and Dick Turpin. Who inspired superheroes.
I don't entirely disagree... but show me the scholarly articles on the Tulsa massacre that have been read and disseminated widely enough that it is even known about by a wide group of people. And then tell me that more people aren't now aware thanks to HBO and press coverage...
Academic discussions may be "better" but they also have to be more than a whisper in a quiet room to be discussions.