MCU: Loki VS Ant-Man (Scott can't go giant or bigger than his normal size)

[angelusdelioncourt]

Scott also can't throw Pym particle disks at Loki to make Loki smaller or bigger. Loki from Ragnarok, as that would be his most experienced incarnation, getting experience from fighting undead Asgardians.

[big_adventure]

Scott also can't throw Pym particle disks at Loki to make Loki smaller or bigger. Loki from Ragnarok, as that would be his most experienced incarnation, getting experience from fighting undead Asgardians.

Loki would slaughter Pym given the stips on the fight.

[angelusdelioncourt]

It's not Hank Pym. It's Scott Lang. Scott can still go small and back to his normal size. Just not bigger

If anything, would no Illusions help?

[The Drunkard Kid]

I guess that AntMan could become too small to see without the plot-o-vision that lets goons reliably shoot at someone who is small enough to ride a flying ant, while he's riding a flying ant, then jump in Loki's nose and revert back to normal size, or something. Provided that he could find Loki past his illusions.

Huh. I guess this would mostly be a high stakes game of Hide and Seek, in which case I would bet on the Trickster God with Thor-shanking knives against an ex-con with the ability to shift sizes.

[big_adventure]

It's not Hank Pym. It's Scott Lang. Scott can still go small and back to his normal size. Just not bigger

If anything, would no Illusions help?

First, mea culpa, I knew who you meant of course and just mis-typed.

Second, no, not really. Scott can't do anything to Loki - the dude ignores assault rifle fire, is just KO'd by "puny god" and is fine shortly after, pretty much no-sells shots from Cap WHEN LOKI IS TRYING TO LOSE, can fight a losing battle against his step-brother, can fight a pretty even battle with Valkyrie (he lost by underestimating her ability to come back from the mind games), isn't hurt by the exploding arrow, no-look catches the exploding arrow, blah blah blah. Scott will have to sleep eventually. Loki will find him eventually.

I guess that AntMan could become too small to see without the plot-o-vision that lets goons reliably shoot at someone who is small enough to ride a flying ant, while he's riding a flying ant, then jump in Loki's nose and revert back to normal size, or something. Provided that he could find Loki past his illusions.

Huh. I guess this would mostly be a high stakes game of Hide and Seek, in which case I would bet on the Trickster God with Thor-shanking knives against an ex-con with the ability to shift sizes.

Him doing that in Loki's nose would be disgusting, but Asgardian durability (of which Loki, while not Asgardian, is constantly portrayed as equivalent) is just too high for soft human fleshy stuff to win against. Not only do we have Loki's feats, we have the lower-level Asgardian feats from AoS, which are certainly canon.

[Sharpandpointies]

Basically, Scott flying into Loki's nose and transforming back to full size is likely to end with Loki's nose being appallingly damaged (possibly missing) and Scott...painfully squished to death while expanding.

[MindofShadow]

Him doing that in Loki's nose would be disgusting, but Asgardian durability (of which Loki, while not Asgardian, is constantly portrayed as equivalent) is just too high for soft human fleshy stuff to win against. Not only do we have Loki's feats, we have the lower-level Asgardian feats from AoS, which are certainly canon.

I've always justified this as Loki being the son of a king (Lauffey)

So his durability is near Thor levels, who is also the son of a king.

[The Watcher]

While Scott is forbidden from using his discs against Loki in this fight, that doesn't mean he can't use them at all. One possible tactic he could try is shrinking down so Loki can't target him. Then grab a pebble or a grain of sand and then go inside Loki to use a disk to enlarge that to cause asphyxiation, stroke or heart attack.

[greatmetropolitan]

How durable are we saying Loki's actual brain is? Couldn't Scott just work his way up and start ripping apart grey matter?

[big_adventure]

How durable are we saying Loki's actual brain is? Couldn't Scott just work his way up and start ripping apart grey matter?

We don't usually go by compartmentalized durability unless it's a specific part of the character.

If a character can take getting shot by assault rifles without noticing, all of them can, unless it's an explicit weakness. For example, comic Wonder Woman can survive punches from Kryptonians, and nukes exploding in her face, but a bullet will hurt her. She's got, stupidly enough, a bullet weakness.

[The Arbiter]

Yeah, meat is meat. No reason a dudes heart or brain are waaay less durable then their skin.

[angelusdelioncourt]

First, mea culpa, I knew who you meant of course and just mis-typed.

Second, no, not really. Scott can't do anything to Loki - the dude ignores assault rifle fire, is just KO'd by "puny god" and is fine shortly after, pretty much no-sells shots from Cap WHEN LOKI IS TRYING TO LOSE, can fight a losing battle against his step-brother, can fight a pretty even battle with Valkyrie (he lost by underestimating her ability to come back from the mind games), isn't hurt by the exploding arrow, no-look catches the exploding arrow, blah blah blah. Scott will have to sleep eventually. Loki will find him eventually.



Him doing that in Loki's nose would be disgusting, but Asgardian durability (of which Loki, while not Asgardian, is constantly portrayed as equivalent) is just too high for soft human fleshy stuff to win against. Not only do we have Loki's feats, we have the lower-level Asgardian feats from AoS, which are certainly canon.

Ah! Given Loki's durability, would MCU Ghost's strength be enough to break Loki's neck?

[The Arbiter]

What's her best strength feat? Like tossing a dude real far right?

I'm gonna go with "Nope" on the whole neck breaking thing. Thanos managed because he's some sort of truly ridiculous creature miles ahead of 99% of Asgardians.

[angelusdelioncourt]

What's her best strength feat? Like tossing a dude real far right?

I'm gonna go with "Nope" on the whole neck breaking thing. Thanos managed because he's some sort of truly ridiculous creature miles ahead of 99% of Asgardians.

Ghost was able to kick Ant-Man through some walls. Oh no, not with one hand like Thanos. I was thinking that same kick to the neck or something

[Tomzilla]

In a worst-case scenario, Ant-Man has a way of dismantling even the sturdiest characters by shrinking down to the Quantum Realm. In doing so, he's free to smash apart his opponent's molecules and atoms, destabilizing them most painfully.