Originally Posted by
Mataza
No, you will not. Im impressed at how articulate and educated you are as im baffled at how biased and ignorant you come across.
Endless Batman crossovers were had with Dick, he was an integral part of the batfamily. Between Grayson and Ric we have a character that is either fake fighting batman or doesnt care about bruce.
This is true, to an extent. He had a good supporting cast. But id argue it was the quality of the books plummeting after dixon left.
Dude got beaten, then beaten again, then had nothing to do with her until pretty much the end of it. I dont know what you are smoking, but you are wrong.
Yeah, im sure that Jason being this edgy guy that blames Batman and proves a foil and a counterpoint to his philosophy was entirely because of Tim Drake.
I dare you to find me a character that has grown and changed more than Tim has over those 20 years.
Damians progress gets reset in every other story. And by the end of it he learns a valuable lesson about friendship/family/teamwork just in time to be reset on the next story. Ive said it before and ill say it again, Damians entire thing is emotional manipulation of the reader.
No, they want him to become batman. By the by, the age the character because they find themselves telling the same story over and over again, now at least he can notice girls.
Dick has remained stagnant for a long time. What the hell are you even talking about? Read a story from 20 years ago, read a story from last year, its the same guy. Doing the same thing, at the same place. Grayson was about the only good thing about the character and was forever crippled by one of the dumbest most rushed endings ive seen in a comic book.
Jason is popular because he evolved from a corpse to a villain to a vigilante?
Or is it because he is an inherently interesting character after they brought him back and added some depth to him?
Nope, chalk it up to the writing being bad. Nobody cares if a character ages or not, people can count how many christmas specials Bruce has been a part of, they dont care. Plus even at 16 he easily underwent more character development in that space of time than the rest of the family put together during that period. This cannot be contested.
He became darker, colder, more calculating but aware of it, trying to find a balance with some success at it, but ultimately failing, until Red Robin. Part of it was on Steph, for betraying him, for dying. Part of it was on his dads death, part of it was because of Conners death, part of it was because of Barts death, Bruce, etc. Those were not happy years for the character. Next thing you are going to say is that those deaths were to prop him up, then i can proceed to roll my eyes and ignore your next post.
So what you are saying is that Damian is to blame. Not that i agree, but way to make your entire rant pointless.
Already said, write a character poorly for long enough and people will stop caring. But it wasnt because of lack of character development, more like the opposite, the book felt frantic after Dixon left, with each writer trying to leave a mark on the character, and actually succeeding at that, sadly not all development is good.
There are plenty of Robin fans that became fans of Tim because they hate the brat. See i can do this too? I can make stuff up and appear enlightened. Annecdotal evidence is just amazing.