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    By Ted Intorcio
    At the risk of offending every fanboy and girl on the planet, I have to get this off my chest.

    Comics aren’t pop culture
    Superheroes; they are pop culture. But comics aren’t. Fitting all of comics into the realm of pop culture is like suggesting all books can be classified as pop culture or all music is an expression of pop culture. Let me ask you, why do we understand that, in the context of literature or music, only certain portions of it can be categorized as pop culture, but comics—they are ALL under that category? The answer, because all most people know about comics is superheroes; adolescent male-centric, predominantly white, escapist entertainment. And this really gets to my point about kind of hating on superheroes. They have become so synonymous in American culture with comics that they have prevented people from finding out about the other stuff.

    Look, like everyone else, I loved X-men and Avengers and Batman. I loved Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Neal Adams, John Byrne and on and on. They provided an escape from bullying classmates and my mundane blue-collar existence in a dreary suburb of Cleveland. These characters became my friends in a sense; they exhibited the qualities I wanted in a friend: strong, dependable, determined, well-meaning… and they triumphed over the bad guys. That last one was probably more important than I realized. As a child, it reaffirmed my sense of right and wrong, justice and fairness. It also stimulated my sense of fantasy. Climbing walls, shooting webs, flying…winning. What kid doesn't want to experience that?

    I mean, I grew up on this stuff:

    And then, I grew up.

    I certainly didn’t lose my love of comics. They are still a wonderful medium for telling any story you can think of. Fortunately, and truthfully, it’s not THAT hard to find comics outside the realm of superheroes. Art Spiegelman, Chris Ware, Allison Bechdel, Adrian Tomine, Marjane Satrapi, the Hernandez brothers, to name several. SO, why are superheroes so outrageously popular while other genres struggle to find their niche? Let me offer these two explanations

    The comics code.
    When comics became censored by the comics code in the 1950s, it limited the kind of subject matter that a comic artist/publisher could tackle. The notion of protecting young minds put shackles on their creators and a big portion of the readership was lost. Before the comics code, there was a much more diverse offering, read by a more diverse audience. Romance comics, westerns, crime comics, war comics, illustrated classics, humor, horror…you name it, read by GIs Housewives, young girls, businessmen, everyone; just like the reading audience of the newspaper’s comics page, which was the point of origin for comics. And then the comics code stripped much of it away. Comics became a product exclusively for children. For the next 30 years, readership dwindled from millions to tens of thousands to today where a book that sells 2500 copies is considered a success. The notion of comics as a product for kids had time to solidify. Then, in the ‘80s as comic code restrictions began to loosen, creators were able to stretch out thematically and in terms of character development. So the content was allowed to age with the reader to some extent. The characters were still grown men an women in tights, doing insane, fantastic things but at least they were less two dimensional. This gave us an adult audience that still cares about superheroes and can still enjoy them. But it cemented in popular culture that comics=superheroes. Kind of a shame.

    Superhero movies and TV shows.
    The advances in CGI and effects technology have allowed Hollywood to create live versions of these characters that do a good job of suspending our disbelief. They remind us of the characters we grew up with and make them even more real for us. When I’ve watched them, I become quickly aware of how hard the writers have worked to recapture that sense of nostalgia in all superhero comics fans. If you weren’t a superhero comics reader growing up (the majority of the audience) it doesn’t matter; you’re still seeing something new-ish with a subjectively interesting plot and lots of whizz-bang effects. Once again, as an unfortunate side-effect, these films drive home the notion that this is what a comic book is. This and nothing else. These two industries, Movies, and comics have fed off of each other in the last several years. Comics have picked up where the movies leave off, developing plot holes in the movies just as Hollywood looks to comics of the past to provide its next blockbuster characters.

    The characters don’t die. Their stories don’t end.
    As a popular commodity with decades of brand recognition, the owners of Spiderman, Batman, etc. have made billions on these characters and they continue to do so. There’s no motivation to end their story, and they just continue to build their fan-base. After a few years of reading them regularly, for me, the superhero books fell into predictable patterns of a story arc. How many times can an adult read about how Daredevil/Matt Murdock suffers brutal attacks from the kingpin, loses his mind but then scrapes his way back from the brink of insanity, ultimately finding the will to persevere and defeat evil? How many ways can mutants be used as a metaphor for inequality, prejudice, and discrimination? It’s simplistic. It’s banal. It lack’s depth by design. Sure characters now die all the time. But the understanding that they will become resurrected after a period of time has become just another cliche and any finality or relevance or meaning connected with death has been removed.

    Nostalgia and arrested development.
    For most readers, myself included, superhero comics bring back fond memories of a simpler time. They transport us to the first time we experienced these stories in the same way that music transports us, and that’s a powerful drug. The art, which is often masterful, can still induce excitement. I think it’s sad, however, if we never get to experience more than that. Sure, everyone needs to escape once in a while but it’s like never getting to know what lasagna tastes like because you only eat Big Macs. My tastes have certainly evolved. I imagine that’s the case for anyone; assuming they know where to look. That’s really all I’m saying here. “Look over here! Hey, look at this!” You might be pleasantly surprised.


    So that’s it. The truth is, no, I don’t hate superheroes. I hate how they’ve been associated with comics to the exclusion of everything else. The truth is comics are not just for kids, they’re not all fantasy stories, they’re not just for white, straight, males, and they most definitely are not just about superheroes. In that spirit I’d like to suggest several comics outside the realm of superheroes that were masterful, inspiring, powerful, engrossing as well as intensely entertaining, You may have heard of some of these. You might not. I’d urge you to check them out. Most of them are in your local library if you don’t want to risk purchasing them. If you end up liking one or more, you can search the internet for more comics like the following. Look at Uncivilized Books, Tinto Press, Koyama Press, Ad House Books, Silver Sprocket, Fantagraphics, and Drawn & Quarterly just to get started.

    I welcome any and all rebuttals, comments, or corrections.

    Love & Rockets by the Hernandez Brothers (fiction, Latin-x)
    Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi (auto-biography)
    Jimmy Corrigan, The Smartest Kid on Earth by Chris Ware (fiction, black comedy)
    Ghost World by Dan Clowes (fiction, teenage girl)
    Fun Home by Allison Bechdel (autobiography, (LGBTQ)
    Pyong Yang by Guy Delisle (travel diary)
    My Friend Dahmer by Derf (biography)
    Lone Wolf and Cub (historical fiction)
    The Book of Genesis by R. Crumb (graphic reinterpretation of the Book of Genesis )
    Maus by Art Spiegelman (Holocaust survivor story)
    American Born Chinese by Gene Luen Yang (autobiography)
    Berlin by Jason Lutes ( historical fiction)

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    Well, when you say "Comics aren't pop culture" it's not totally true. They are at the roots a pop culture and entertainement thing.

    And you forget to mention why the Comics Code was instrored. It's because comics were becoming more and more accessible and more and more popular among kids.

    But I agree with a lot of what you say. Now when someone says "comics" they thing of drawn stories about super-heroes for kids.

    Let's not also forget Donald Duck / Uncle Scrooge comics, Garfield and Peanuts. They are not superheroes and are a big part of pop comics.

    Also +1 for mentionning "Derf", I love what he does.

    Let's also mention that Dark Horse, and the 90's Vertigo line by DC Comics have produces some very popular comics more adult oriented:
    - Hellboy
    - Sin City
    - 300
    - Fear Agent
    - Harrow County
    - Preacher
    - Hellblazer
    - 100 Bullets
    - Transmetropolitan
    - Daytripper
    - DMZ
    - Fables
    - Scalped
    - V for Vendetta
    - ...

    I don't think adult and non-superhero comics are dead.
    I also don't thing all Super-hero comics are pop.

    But it's like in music, I don't get how/why autotune is so popular ?
    Superhero comics have lots creativity but still get more and more popular. I don't get it.

    I'm glad to be French. European (mainly french/belge) comics are very great and inovative. And we don't have superheroes:


    AND MANY MANY MORE

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    I don't think super hero comics are that successful nowadays...

    And I don't buy any notion that non super hero comics would be read more widely IF super hero comics were read less...I actually think there's actually a synergy between the two, so that people who love super hero comics are much more likely to read other types of comics than most other people.

    But I do agree with main thrust of your argument that comics are a wonderful way to tell all sorts of stories...and I'll add just a few recs (off non super hero stuff) to ones you've suggested:-

    Bryan Talbot Tale of One Bad Rat (fictional story featuring victim of child abuse)
    Al Davison The Spiral Cage (autobiography)
    Will Eisner A Contract with God and other tenement stories (based on Will's own life)
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    You say
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Press View Post
    They [superheroes] have become so synonymous in American culture with comics that they have prevented people from finding out about the other stuff.
    and....
    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Press View Post
    ... it’s not THAT hard to find comics outside the realm of superheroes.
    So which is it.
    Anyone remotely interested in alternative comics, graphic novels, etc can find them.
    It helps if the interest in the visual medium is there though.
    You can't expect everyone to like that form of story telling.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Press View Post
    Comics aren’t pop culture
    Superheroes; they are pop culture. But comics aren’t.
    So you never heard of Archie comics. Archie, Betty, Veronica, Josie & the Pussy Cats, Sabrina, ....etc.


    As far as your list.
    Pretty good, by all means share it with others.
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    I absolutely respect your opinions and ideas; but, it seems a bit odd to post this opinion on a comic book forum? If you don't like it, which you are 100% entitled to, maybe not go to an area dedicated for it?
    That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, the happy highways where I went and cannot come again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinto Press View Post

    After a few years of reading them regularly, for me, the superhero books fell into predictable patterns of a story arc. How many times can an adult read about how Daredevil/Matt Murdock suffers brutal attacks from the kingpin, loses his mind but then scrapes his way back from the brink of insanity, ultimately finding the will to persevere and defeat evil?
    I can read Daredevil vs Kingpin forever and ever....what is he talking about.

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    I got into comics reading the non super hero stuff. I started by reading Archie with my dad. It was a way of bonding with him. I got into superheroes later in life and stayed with them pretty much for the rest of my life. I am only now starting to get back into non Super Hero comics. The Walking Dead. and I recently got into Hack/Slash. I am open to reading more non Superhero comics.
    Favorite teams. Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Justice Society of America, Legion of Superheroes.

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    > Comics aren’t pop culture

    Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck aren't "pop culture"? What, then, are they?

    After a long hiatus of not reading comics, I was drawn back into the hobby by titles like Sandman, Hellblazer, and Swamp Thing. I always considered them "pop culture", and I still do.

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    I dont think that all comics are pop culture. Certain issues are ground breaking and can be considered pop culture just like certain movies and books are considered pop culture.
    Favorite teams. Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Justice Society of America, Legion of Superheroes.

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