Uncanny X-Men #19 preview

[Silver Fang]

Nope; Emma was a mainstay for 15 years, and an essential part of the X-men books. Emma as a villain was a poor man's Selene, and hasn't been one for 25 years; taking her in that direction today would be like someone took Black Widow in the 90's to villainy again because "that's the classic version".

A anti-hero? Sure, she could be. But so is Wolverine. JDW specifically said she never worked in the X-men (false) and couldn't fit a more traditional X-men book (false, see AXM), and someone even found a tweet of him saying Emma never stopped being a villain. He also specifically said that "All the X-men must be heroes" which is bullshit, and was even back in Claremont's day.

There's also absolutely nothing that stops Emma working in the X-men with Jean around, or even her being with Scott with Jean alive. The problem is that he's very much an illusion of change kind of guy.

Agreed here. Doesn't help that, as someone said, their trying to recreate an era in a bland, half-assed way -leaving characters regressed of parodies of their "classic" selves.

Some of these characters need change. They offered all they can on certain areas & are now just remaining static / one-note for the sake of half-assed parodies of nostalgia. Lol

[spirit2011]

Based on her speech in the first page, she seems to think of the X-Men as beneath her because...reasons to the point of clowning them with her Hellfire Club group. This despite the fact that she was the headmistress of the school and stuck with the X-Men until IvX, well over a decade. But now suddenly they’re so lowly to her. Really hate character shifts like that.

Seems like the break up was hard for Emma.

There is a wide gap for this issue to fill, why Emma knew about the ONE New Mutants and done nothing?
Regroup seems the answer, but she is planning something else too

[fsger]

Nope; Emma was a mainstay for 15 years, and an essential part of the X-men books. Emma as a villain was a poor man's Selene, and hasn't been one for 25 years; taking her in that direction today would be like someone took Black Widow in the 90's to villainy again because "that's the classic version".

A anti-hero? Sure, she could be, and was for the most part. But so is Wolverine. JDW specifically said she never worked in the X-men (false) and couldn't fit a more traditional X-men book (false, see AXM), and someone even found a tweet of him saying Emma never stopped being a villain. He also specifically said that "All the X-men must be heroes" which is bullshit, and was even back in Claremont's day. Nothing heroic about mind-wiping Havok, or hide from your friends and family that you're alive and hidden in the Outback, or Wolverine killing a boatload of people.

There's also absolutely nothing that stops Emma working in the X-men with Jean around, or even her being with Scott with Jean alive. The problem is that he's very much an illusion of change kind of guy.

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

[Glio]

Seems like the break up was hard for Emma.

There is a wide gap for this issue to fill, why Emma knew about the ONE New Mutants and done nothing?
Regroup seems the answer, but she is planning something else too

Maybe she (or Mystique) was the one who told Logan where the New Mutants + Havok were?

It sounded a lot of chance that Logan happened to know where there was a super-secret military base where they experimented with mutants.

[spirit2011]

People's opinionns change. Emma hasnt been on good terms with the X-men for years now. Her attitude here is consistent with recent canon. It could also be a defense mechanism on her part bc they did essentially have a breakup of sorts. This is totally in character and I wouldnt have expected to see her talk highly of them especially to someone else thats been an enemy of theirs

This is a good read, Emma is really good to mask her real feelings.

Maybe she (or Mystique) was the one who told Logan where the New Mutants + Havok were?

It sounded a lot of chance that Logan happened to know where there was a super-secret military base where they experimented with mutants.

It is very possible, Emma has been acting on the shadows.

But why Emma herself didn't acted with the Hellfire Club. She was waiting on Logan/Cyclops to do some action

[Kurolegacy]

People's opinionns change. Emma hasnt been on good terms with the X-men for years now. Her attitude here is consistent with recent canon. It could also be a defense mechanism on her part bc they did essentially have a breakup of sorts. This is totally in character and I wouldnt have expected to see her talk highly of them especially to someone else thats been an enemy of theirs

Problem there is that the whole things stems from terrible writing that basically had Emma going nuts over Scott's death to the point of turning him into an idea, this leading to his name being run through the mud, outright murdering Inhuman civilians with Sentinels that she had a fellow mutant create, and then going full yandere on young Cyclops trying to turn her Cyclops. All this has led to where she is at now and there's been no real course correction. It's basically Beast's falling out with the X-Men all over again where they take bad writing of a character and just run with it rather than fix the mess.

[Omega Alpha]

Agreed here. Doesn't help that, as someone said, their trying to recreate an era in a bland, half-assed way -leaving characters regressed of parodies of their "classic" selves.

Some of these characters need change. They offered all they can on certain areas & are now just remaining static / one-note for the sake of half-assed parodies of nostalgia. Lol

Even worse, regressing them to he past because that's the classic version. Let's remember exactly what was Emma's "progression":

• First, Gillen decided (and/or the editors wanted to) make Emma evil again because...reasons. That's why he insisted on the Namor non-sense, which started with Emma tricking him to join the X-men and was clearly set-up for Fraction to be a time bomb to be exploded (and why every writer ignored the relationship afterwards), and happened at the same time they were setting up Wolverine to be the new Professor X;
• Then, AvX happens and all the stupid non-sense and retcons that came with it. That story is indefensible;
• Then, Bendis has the X-men blaming Scott, and to a lesser extent, Emma for the P5 non-sense because...reasons. Never mind the fact that Jean committed genocide, but isn't (right so) blamed for it, and no one questions Tony for his decision to shoot the Phoenix in the first place;
• On the top of that, Bendis also has Scott & Emma blaming each other for the non-sense and the stuff they did there until the end of his run;
• Then, Scott is killed off-panel accused of "going evil" for...reasons. We don't know why until well after, and Emma disappears from the books;
• Then, we find out Scott just died because of the cloud, and Emma was the responsible for the "evil" things he did, which were...destroying a mutant-killing cloud;
• Afterwards, in IvX, she's the villain because she just doesn't want to be at the Inhumans mercy, nor wants them unpunished for all the deaths, specially Scott's. The events ends up setting her to a clear villainous route, using Sentinels and stuff;
• Now, she apparently despises the X-men and makes even Scott forget she exists;

So, tell, where's the "natural progression" of her story? That's pure bullshit. It's all about returning to the past, starting with Gillen and also the Cyclops/Magneto, Logan/Xavier non-sense Aaron wanted to set up.

[cranger]

I will be glad if they just give us villain Emma without pretending she is a hero. Gillen tried so so hard, if only he had more time.

[spirit2011]

I will be glad if they just give us villain Emma without pretending she is a hero. Gillen tried so so hard, if only he had more time.

Well if only Gillen sold more comics. But you know I don't think is fair for Emma be full villain again

[Tycon]

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

A. You do realize why that was so controversial to not only her fan base, but to most people who know her character? If she wasn’t with the X-Men for Scott, she would’ve been there for the students. Above all she’s a teacher and an educator and she wouldn’t throw everything away because she lost Scott. If she wanted revenge, she’d probably be smart and cunning about it and not drop 20-ton, Inhuman-hunting Sentinels to exact revenge right in front of her peers.

B. Usually those people are either mad that Emma supplanted their fav as the main X-Woman or are nostalgic for her status as the White Queen. She’s beyond proved herself as a hero in Generation X.

[Omega Alpha]

Problem there is that the whole things stems from terrible writing that basically had Emma going nuts over Scott's death to the point of turning him into an idea, this leading to his name being run through the mud, outright murdering Inhuman civilians with Sentinels that she had a fellow mutant create, and then going full yandere on young Cyclops trying to turn her Cyclops. All this has led to where she is at now and there's been no real course correction. It's basically Beast's falling out with the X-Men all over again where they take bad writing of a character and just run with it rather than fix the mess.

Yep.

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

A- No, she quit the books because writers didn't had a fucking clue as to what was exactly so bad that Scott did, so she had to be kept out because-1) She would most likely be involved; 2) She would defend him, and they'd have to get into specifics; 3) She could be blamed for it if fan outcry was too much, which is what happened;
B- All of this come from the same people, and a minority: who want things to return to the old status quo because of nostalgia. People who want the X-men to be nothing more than a small group of mutants led by Xavier in the mansion fighting Magneto. JDW specifically came to the point of saying that the X-men are only made of heroes, which is UNDENIABLY false, and even back in the AXM era he was saying she was still a villain;
C- Again, there's absolutely no reason for this; Scott and Logan often had an antagonistic relationship and there was more than enough room for the two of them in the X-men; more recently, Beast had an even more antagonistic relationship with Scott and he was still a part of it.

[cranger]

Well if only Gillen sold more comics. But you know I don't think is fair for Emma be full villain again

I don't think it is fair to pin down a character to some portrayal that only works to make sure the character remains a starring character. There is so much more that can be done with a character like Emma that requires her to be used in a sparing way and allows her motivations to be more dynamic as compared to the X-Men. She has always worked best as an alternative to Charles, much as Magneto did.

[fsger]

B- All of this come from the same people, and a minority: who want things to return to the old status quo because of nostalgia.

Lol, You sure? The minority are Emma stans, they are just a vocal minority
Do you want to make a poll about this?
I bet you would be surprised of how many people don't care about her at all or even find her annoying.

[RAWRlrus]

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

She and Scott were out of the books at the exact same time, and I don't think anyone would argue that Scott is a mainstay.

[Omega Alpha]

Lol, You sure? The minority are Emma stans, they are just a vocal minority
Do you want to make a poll about this?
I bet you would be surprised of how many people don't care about her at all or even find her annoying.

Emma was unquestionably the breakout character in Morrison's run, even had a solo at the time that sold well. Her recent X-men: Black one-shot also sold very well. There's a reason she stayed in the main books for so long, and only left during the Terrigen non-sense.