Uncanny X-Men #19 preview

[fsger]

She and Scott were out of the books at the exact same time, and I don't think anyone would argue that Scott is a mainstay.

Scott existed in the form of Tyke and is a main character on the current Uncanny since issue#1.

[spirit2011]

I don't think it is fair to pin down a character to some portrayal that only works to make sure the character remains a starring character. There is so much more that can be done with a character like Emma that requires her to be used in a sparing way and allows her motivations to be more dynamic as compared to the X-Men. She has always worked best as an alternative to Charles, much as Magneto did.

The problem is that everytime someone likes a sexy female villain she becames a hero. Harley quinn, poison ivy...Comics are just losing dynamics because of it.
Agree with you that Emma can have a better position not being a good two shoes on x-men team. She clearly doesn't subscribe on Xavier or even Magneto ways

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

It realy feels like her time to play a x-men is over. Almost...
That is until Hickman arrives and make her the x-men again *roll eyes*

[RAWRlrus]

Scott existed in the form of Tyke and is a main character on the current Uncanny since issue#1.

Most people don't consider Tyke and Cyke to be the same, you even said so when you said that Cyke died. He just recently came back, but I don't think anyone would have argued that he wasn't a mainstay even when he was dead. Same with Wolverine, same with Jean.

[fsger]

Emma was unquestionably the breakout character in Morrison's run, even had a solo at the time that sold well. Her recent X-men: Black one-shot also sold very well. There's a reason she stayed in the main books for so long, and only left during the Terrigen non-sense.

And those reasons were that Jean was dead and Scemma. She has been slowly quitting the books since Teen Jean.

[myownlittleusername]

Lol, You sure? The minority are Emma stans, they are just a vocal minority
Do you want to make a poll about this?
I bet you would be surprised of how many people don't care about her at all or even find her annoying.

Was a poll not that long ago here.

https://community.cbr.com/showthread...k-on-the-X-Men

[Kurolegacy]

A. You do realize why that was so controversial to not only her fan base, but to most people who know her character? If she wasn’t with the X-Men for Scott, she would’ve been there for the students. Above all she’s a teacher and an educator and she wouldn’t throw everything away because she lost Scott. If she wanted revenge, she’d probably be smart and cunning about it and not drop 20-ton, Inhuman-hunting Sentinels to exact revenge right in front of her peers.

B. Usually those people are either mad that Emma supplanted their fav as the main X-Woman or are nostalgic for her status as the White Queen. She’s beyond proved herself as a hero in Generation X.

Exactly. Hell that's not even anything new. Back in the Regenesis one-shot, she even discusses with Scott about having considered going with the group that was returning to Westchester because first and foremost, she is a teacher, even if that meant separating from Scott. Emma's status as an X-Man is not dependent on whatever Scott's status is. Hell it's been shown numerous times that the fastest way to get on Emma's bad side is going after her students. Anyone who tries to dilute her character to Scott or nothing has no real grasp of who she is and has been for over 20 years now.

[spirit2011]

And those reasons were that Jean was dead and Scemma. She has been slowly quitting the books since Teen Jean.

When Teen Jean arrive, Emma importance was radically reduced

[PetPigeon]

This thread is a mess. Let the "hero"/"villain" concept go people.

[Kurolegacy]

This thread is a mess. Let the "hero"/"villain" concept go people.

Well when Marvel is basically dumping lighter fluid on a fire...

[Omega Alpha]

And those reasons were that Jean was dead and Scemma. She has been slowly quitting the books since Teen Jean.

The solo begun during Morrison's run, IIRC.

[Snoop Dogg]

The most hilarious thing about the entire Emma kerfuffle is that not only is coming up with a story and an actual solid reason for why she would break off from the X-Meh after Bendis' run very easy, but that she wasn't even needed for the story they were trying to tell. Because as we all know, there is no one significant within either the Inhumans or the X-Men capable of mental manipulation who could set up a large conflict between them just to get off to it, right? We have to remove two of the lead protagonists of this franchise for over a decade from the books to do this event, right? Bitch went crazy, right?

[RAWRlrus]

The most hilarious thing about the entire Emma kerfuffle is that not only is coming up with a story and an actual solid reason for why she would break off from the X-Meh after Bendis' run very easy, but that she wasn't even needed for the story they were trying to tell. Because as we all know, there is no one significant within either the Inhumans or the X-Men capable of mental manipulation who could set up a large conflict between them just to get off to it, right? We have to remove two of the lead protagonists of this franchise for over a decade from the books to do this event, right? Bitch went crazy, right?

More like the opposite happened, we need to remove two main leaders, sure lets try this horrible event.

[FUBAR007]

The most hilarious thing about the entire Emma kerfuffle is that not only is coming up with a story and an actual solid reason for why she would break off from the X-Meh after Bendis' run very easy, but that she wasn't even needed for the story they were trying to tell. Because as we all know, there is no one significant within either the Inhumans or the X-Men capable of mental manipulation who could set up a large conflict between them just to get off to it, right? We have to remove two of the lead protagonists of this franchise for over a decade from the books to do this event, right? Bitch went crazy, right?

It's more a case of Marvel trying to do stories about Scott and Emma breaking bad, the fanbase having the opposite reaction to what Marvel intended, and Marvel doubling down to further hammer the point. Rinse. Repeat.

[Tycon]

Exactly. Hell that's not even anything new. Back in the Regenesis one-shot, she even discusses with Scott about having considered going with the group that was returning to Westchester because first and foremost, she is a teacher, even if that meant separating from Scott. Emma's status as an X-Man is not dependent on whatever Scott's status is. Hell it's been shown numerous times that the fastest way to get on Emma's bad side is going after her students. Anyone who tries to dilute her character to Scott or nothing has no real grasp of who she is and has been for over 20 years now.

Right, ff Jean didn't die at the end of Morrison's run and Scott chose her, that wouldn't mean Emma'd just pack up her bags and leave Xavier's. She'd just be a little more snarky to everyone and a smidgen drunker. Emma's true connection to the X-Men has always been through her students.

[Ulfhammer]

Based on her speech in the first page, she seems to think of the X-Men as beneath her because...reasons to the point of clowning them with her Hellfire Club group. This despite the fact that she was the headmistress of the school and stuck with the X-Men until IvX, well over a decade. But now suddenly they’re so lowly to her. Really hate character shifts like that.

People's opinionns change. Emma hasnt been on good terms with the X-men for years now. Her attitude here is consistent with recent canon. It could also be a defense mechanism on her part bc they did essentially have a breakup of sorts. This is totally in character and I wouldnt have expected to see her talk highly of them especially to someone else thats been an enemy of theirs

Emma wasn't alone here. Her little speech could easily have been for Vanisher's benefit. The Black King has an image to maintain and there certainly could be interested parties wondering if Emma would "rejoin the X-Men fold" at some point. Note that snide remarks that aren't entirely honest would not be out of character for Emma anyways, especially when she's dealing with those she can't explicitly trust.

Point A: She quit the books after Scott died that doesn't happen to mainstays, that's what happens when a characters depen on other character.
Point B: The fact that you have to point this, proves that there have always been doubts and part of the fan bease that never accepted her as a hero, unlike the others.
Point C: Everything starting from logic and common sense would stop that. You don't undertand but Emma's golden age was when Jean wasn't there, If Jean is back and is relevant Emma can't be there, she is probably the most antogonistic character to Jean. Everything came from Jean and was going to fall apart the moment she came back

Scott quit the X-Men when Jean died following the DPS. Following your argument, that would indicate he depended on Jean for his place in the X-Men to make sense, or for him to be a mainstay, but I think we all know that's not true. I'd agree that Emma's prominence in the X-Men truly began in part due to Jean's absence but she's since cemented her place and I think she's well past the point of needing Jean gone to stay relevant. That would suggest that her relationship with Scott was all that kept her relevant but they've been broken up since AvX and she'd been very relevant for most of the time since. Jean and Emma aren't at all binary at this point and what made them binary (in a relationship with Scott) isn't a factor at all now, if it ever was.