"Everyone knows that Peter loves Mary Jane, but Gwen was his real, true love."

[Digifiend]

So, apparently the "Centidemon" in ASM is really called spoilers:

Kindred. As in a kindred spirit?

end of spoilers Makes one wonder, is it the Gwen clone from Clone Conspiracy? We never saw proof that she died.

[Jman27]

So, apparently the "Centidemon" in ASM is really called spoilers:

Kindred. As in a kindred spirit?

end of spoilers Makes one wonder, is it the Gwen clone from Clone Conspiracy? We never saw proof that she died.

I taught she forgave him when she did her suicide. Either way I hope its not. Cause I cant see Kingpin bowing down to old Gwen Stacy anytime soon

[KangMiRae]

I taught she forgave him when she did her suicide. Either way I hope its not. Cause I cant see Kingpin bowing down to old Gwen Stacy anytime soon

"Listen, fatso. You're gonna leave Petey alone or I'm gonna wring your skin like a washcloth!"

She's just takin' care of him!

[GSman]

So, apparently the "Centidemon" in ASM is really called spoilers:

Kindred. As in a kindred spirit?

end of spoilers Makes one wonder, is it the Gwen clone from Clone Conspiracy? We never saw proof that she died.

Oh yeah, about that. Since in Scarlet Spider it was revealed Ben kept his soul all the times he was cloned, doesn't that mean that was actually the original Gwen? I never see that discussed.

[AngelJD]

Oh yeah, about that. Since in Scarlet Spider it was revealed Ben kept his soul all the times he was cloned, doesn't that mean that was actually the original Gwen? I never see that discussed.

Actually after reading issue 21 of Amazing Spider-man during the 'Hunted' arc something major I feel was revealed in that issue. Particularly for the characters from Clone Conspiracy. I'll copy and post various posts of what I wrote before on this topic but also post the page that got my attention:






It's weird both Strange and Conners (though he started to question himself) states that is Billy's true soul and memeriores(mind) while the body was made by science to resurrecting him. Syange and Connors states he is truly Billy version one of 616 but Billy says "I'm not the real me". I wonder if he's referring to being now part lizard being "not the real me" or his very individual identity like many clone tales often have situations with even though he lives has a soul and is a individual.

In terms of "body" Peter Parker was Peter Parker before the spider bit him and he was still Peter Parker after the spider altered/changed his body no longer having the same body (skin deep however changes).

I was very happy to see Doctor Strange show up with Connor wanting his son inspected. So many times during the Dead No More/Clone Conspiracy the constant questioning if such people are truly resurrected or not or new souls thus new people and the debates of it all with me meantoning the importance of body, mind, and soul and what can be considered version one of a person vs a new person/version of a being on a single Multiverse Earth. To me the body has least importance but mind and greatly soul does. For me The most important and what counts as 'resurrection' for me is the soul aspect and mind right middle (Version one people get brainwashed all the time yet still the same person but influenced in a direction not of their own doing but others). So Doctor Strange conforming it's Billy's soul and not a new one by defacto means EVERYBODY in Clone Conspiracy was version one resurrections.

All of them were people that was resurrected and once more many of them died again. That would mean Gwen Stacy version 1 of 616 has had two deaths officially to her one with the neck snapping and two with her self sacrificing herself to help Peter and take on three goblins (but as always we only saw the jacket and peter speculating not Gwen melting with readers seeing with our own eyes thus door open that maybe the Centipede Being is Gwen, Flash, or any other character(s) that is 'dead' for whatever reasons magical or alien or science mumbo jumbo).

But ultimately so many times during the whole clone/made by or other matters by science and alien and magic tales involving 'are they version ones or new versions souls' questioning I often thought "Go to a magic user/Doctor Strange and just find out idiots". Connors did just that while Peter would hem and haw.
Second thing either way then would be 'go to a therapist/psychologist'. If not for identity crisis situations then just from the matters of people that suffer from near death experiences would need help and thus memories of death might be PTSD for anybody. Connors unfortunately couldn't do that for Billy and his wife as I can't think of who he might be able to turn to.





I think for matters like Ben, Kaine, the Prowler during CC where version one still lives then I think a version two new soul is born and it's like the Multiverse where there is many versions of a character but usually one per Earth might live but on Earth-616 there is a special two/multiple versions existing and each can be influenced and change as a individual person by personal experiences and thus each his/her own person and matters.

We also might consider the personal side of things and clear conditions and choices. Now it's was not possible to ask the dead if they want to be brought back and the full conditions of it all. At this point on 616 people/heroes should fill out a special card "Organ donor Yes or No plus Resurrection Yes or No". How everybody was going to have a livelihood at all (things like SSN and other paperwork would cause some disadvantages).

Then the biggest jump to the dark side during CC for Ben was when he decided to go on the attack against Peter when they had a disagreement then worse beginning to kill everybody with plans of resurrection. You shouldn't try to kill others, hurt others, plus the risk factors. Plus I don't think he went to a trustworthy magical specialist to ensure body, mind, and soul research in anything he was doing. Using others as biological weapons and making them and other around suffer is a jumping point.

During his own series I didn't like how it ended with Ben's soul damaged which then fortunately Ben got 'rebooted' in Spider-Geddon fixing that ending so no long term damage was done at all from that. I hope Peter got his brother Ben the professional mental help after that Spider-Geddon event to become better and rise up making him understand his slippery slope he did and get better.

Therapists must make so much money on 616.



Gwen Stacy of Earth-616 first death happened when she was going to college (Freshman or sophomore year?) so when she was resurrected in Clone Conspiracy her body would of been created from the DNA of her first dead body which was about maybe 19-21 years old. Thus when Gwen Stacy of 616 was resurrected Gwen of 616 would be 19-21 while her friends that she had known and last seen for her perspective less then a day ago in her mind was also 19-21 but now jumped forwards into the future was in their 30's. The matters of culture, technology, and history changes plus massively seeing how the people you known move forward and age and changed can be a major point for 616 Gwen (plus would she go back and resume college and other matters while her friends now in a different point in their lives. Last time Gwen of 616 saw MJ MJ and her were friends and rivals for Peter and MJ was a party girl. Gwen would be dumbfounded yet fascinated by MJ's growth and changes since she last saw her (which for Gwen was far less time then for MJ).

It kind of makes the whole Kaine speech how 616 Gwen would love 65-Gwen a bit amusing to me. Kaine: 'She would of loved ya... of course we did kidnap her, take her clothes, had her tied down as her body was suffering and made her scared not knowing what was happening and treated her like dirt or existed... but she'll love ya.'

Granted when 616 Gwen did see Earth-65 (falling from a window) and learned more about her from 616 Peter 616 Gwen did find her fascinating and a 'upgrade'. Sadly the two during that time period never personally interacted or talked which for me felt like a miss opportunity.

Earth-65 Gwen would later meet a 616 Gwen in the past but due to her being there cause a tangent in the time line and new Earth born and that 616 Gwen split and transformed into 617 Gwen and a new path with her loving, bonding to the symbiote, and becoming the world's best forensic science detective and a multiverse researcher/jumper.

[AngelJD]

"Listen, fatso. You're gonna leave Petey alone or I'm gonna wring your skin like a washcloth!"

She's just takin' care of him!

Loved that.


Since we didn't see her body at the end of CC plus Gwen is often written/described as a "talented geneticist". Now this could finally allow the chance to show THAT appect of her for once to the public in a origins type of dark tale for her. Both Peter and Gwen of 616 altered in body by science but for Gwen going past skin deep.
That she helped in battling and making the Goblins fly off or melt first (and during the battle losing her jacket in the process) and then escaped. Gwen not wanting Peter to see her body breaking down and disfigured to be the last memories of her which Peter might now look back on she went to a lab she knew wasn't being used with it's machines made for advanced ideas to alter the living body the Jackal had but in the end abandoned. Getting to the lab she in part talents of a geneticist we often told about but also part desperation to live she develop in her mind a possible cure in case the radio waves wouldn't active in time and reach her. Unable to clearly think well due to melting slowly and painfully she rushed making a mistake in her calculations that altered everything. Bugs attracted to her body emitting death and at a point between death and life Gwen activated her own 'cure' on herself just as the radio waves began and the bugs and her bonded and transformed her. Now before she might of questioned her body knowing it was made by science but now NOT skin deep like Peter was. Gwen seeing a mirror of how changed she was and disfigured Gwen was horrified. Feeling like it would be better if Peter just believed she was dead ran off and hide her disfigured body from the world. In time she discovered her own new powers and made choices to work in the shadows. One of those "bugs" that found and joined her and influenced her to act in time coming from 'Spiders-Man' and a piece of symbiotes that squirmed away and found her from that came from Flash and Eddie further warping her.

Characters change and make choices based on many factors including emotions and self view. This could be 616 Gwen but like Bucky being back from the dead and now the Winter Soldier in turn. 'Kindred' referring to how she sees Peter and MJ as family to her but also the 'similar in kind; related' to Peter's body with him being part spider Gwen is now part of various bugs (bugs that would normal feast on dead bodies making Gwen a living dead/death/undead once more between a area of life and death). 616 Gwen that once lived but infamously remembered for her death now existing as both.
With body and mental dysfunctions and psychologically messed up Gwen wants to keep Peter and MJ safe but has a punisher vibe to her.


Odds are very low that 'Kindred' is Gwen. Some think it's might be Flash but I wouldn't be super shock if it's somebody obscure or reconned in. Hopefully whoever it might be the story and character will work and be great/well written.

[theoneandonly]

I wonder what will happen if ghost spider Gwen gets aged up like jon Kent and turns to Peter for help. Will it lead to creating a questionable attraction between the two and if they do act upon it will it be really creepy or acceptable to fans of the ship.

[KangMiRae]

I wonder what will happen if ghost spider Gwen gets aged up like jon Kent and turns to Peter for help. Will it lead to creating a questionable attraction between the two and if they do act upon it will it be really creepy or acceptable to fans of the ship.

Making an alt-Gwen and tossing her to Miles was already weird. Aging this Gwen up to replace the original Gwen for Peter would be just as weird imo.

[Digifiend]

Spencer isn't in control of Gwen 65's destiny, so I don't think we need to worry about that.

[KangMiRae]

I also don't think Spencer is a shitty writer. I like him more than Slott. The only one I think who currently writes a better Spider-Man than Spencer is Zdarsky. I don't like Taylor's writing in general nor Aaron and both have written Spidey recently.

[Tuck]

I wonder what will happen if ghost spider Gwen gets aged up like jon Kent and turns to Peter for help. Will it lead to creating a questionable attraction between the two and if they do act upon it will it be really creepy or acceptable to fans of the ship.

They'd have to overwrite her personality. Her view of Peter is of her Peter. And in her interactions during Clone Conspiracy and meeting 617 Gwen, she states how weird she finds the pairing.

[Frontier]

They'd have to overwrite her personality. Her view of Peter is of her Peter. And in her interactions during Clone Conspiracy and meeting 617 Gwen, she states how weird she finds the pairing.

Yeah, even in Into the Spider-Verse I don't think she and Peter B. exchanged more then two dialogues with each other.

[Ursalink]

Well, I'm not trying to be insensitive, but even if Gwen Stacy was an important part of Spider-Man's story, I see Mary Jane as his best "soulmate". When I was born, Gwen Stacy had been dead for years, and his wedding with MJ was 2 years after I was born. Sounds silly, but that's the part of Spider-Man's history I have known.

And personally, considering how much people are getting favoritism on Spider-Gwen over classic Gwen, I'm starting to think history should be rewritten. Now I'm more interested in Gwen Stacy gaining Spider-Powers and saving herself from the Green Goblin that night.

[KangMiRae]

And personally, considering how much people are getting favoritism on Spider-Gwen over classic Gwen, I'm starting to think history should be rewritten. Now I'm more interested in Gwen Stacy gaining Spider-Powers and saving herself from the Green Goblin that night.

Funny, I despise Spider-Gwen for this very reason. She's not my Gwen Stacy nor one I care about. I hate her entire attitude and style, and it grinds my gears the mainstream masses impression of the character/name is from this version rather than the original.

As for rewriting history, hard pass. Let the original Gwen stay dead. It would make little sense for her to have powers, too. Pretty sure 616 Gwen hated heroes and all that crap.

[Ursalink]

Funny, I despise Spider-Gwen for this very reason. She's not my Gwen Stacy nor one I care about. I hate her entire attitude and style, and it grinds my gears the mainstream masses impression of the character/name is from this version rather than the original.

As for rewriting history, hard pass. Let the original Gwen stay dead. It would make little sense for her to have powers, too. Pretty sure 616 Gwen hated heroes and all that crap.

You are kidding, right? Jackal's sick obssession with Gwen makes him the perfect excuse for Gwen to have Spider-Powers (as consequence of some kind of sick experiment that could lead us to Spider-Island), and once Gwen get trapped inside the worlds of heroes, I'm pretty sure her opinion would change.