Captain America, his morals and beliefs and the Snap in the MCU....

[Cmbmool]

We all have people to blame for the Thanos Snap from happening in Infinity War: Thor, Starlord and maybe even Tony for his Ego, but What about Captain America ?

I say this to Marvel fans as Captain America's beliefs clashed with Tony's willingness to keep the Avengers together and look what happen. My favorite moment in Avengers Endgame came at the start when Tony called Steve out for his past actions and how it was partly his fault that things got this way. Yes Tony has his Ego, Thor has his emotional quest for Vengeance, Hulk and Banner are on the outs and Starlord....is Still a child in a way, but what about Steve ?

I think that in both Infinity War and Endgame you could not help but see how Tony and Steve try to influence each other even when they're apart. Yet when each tried to act like the other...it ended in failure.

Yes Steve admitted that Tony was right about the previous arguments, but it was too little too late for it all. One has to wonder was Captain America also to blame for the snap from happening in a way and how he still didn't get it post 5 years later with the ideal Time heist, before Stark came into help ??

How much blame do you place Captain America in when it comes to the Snap ?

[DragonsChi]

How was Cap at fault again? Your post is not clear.

From my perspective Thor & Tony just failed like Steve did. Star Lord lost control of his emotions and tipped the scale into Thanos favor. But all of them are only human so ... not sure I would blame anyone.

[Cmbmool]

How was Cap at fault again? Your post is not clear.

From my perspective Thor & Tony just failed like Steve did. Star Lord lost control of his emotions and tipped the scale into Thanos favor. But all of them are only human so ... not sure I would blame anyone.

Remember Steve line of how they would be together if they were to lose...what happened after he said that line ? Steve's flaw is that he has a one tracked mindset in a way that more a clutch than an assist at times and Infinity war sort of proved it.

[DragonsChi]

Remember Steve line of how they would be together if they were to lose...what happened after he said that line ? Steve's flaw is that he has a one tracked mindset in a way that more a clutch than an assist at times and Infinity war sort of proved it.

Eh... that's just guilt though. I mean Tony and Steve where friends who had a disagreement. After the disagreement they couldn't work together because they no longer were on the same page. Neither Tony or Steve could predict the future to know for sure what would happen down the road.

Can't really blame either one for not forcing themselves to tolerate each other.

[Cmbmool]

Eh... that's just guilt though. I mean Tony and Steve where friends who had a disagreement. After the disagreement they couldn't work together because they no longer were on the same page. Neither Tony or Steve could predict the future to know for sure what would happen down the road.

Can't really blame either one for not forcing themselves to tolerate each other.

Then explain the vision that Tony saw in Age of Ultorn ? How he warned the team of the threat in space and look how that turned out ?

[DragonsChi]

Then explain the vision that Tony saw in Age of Ultorn ? How he warned the team of the threat in space and look how that turned out ?

Still.

Stark wasn't sure and his fear end result led to him creating thousands of robots that would police the world, whether individual countries agreed to it or not.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Then explain the vision that Tony saw in Age of Ultorn ? How he warned the team of the threat in space and look how that turned out ?

Err, that was Scarlet Witch playing on his fears.

During the first movie, Tony was the one who saw that the guys coming through the portal were but a small tip of the spear, and he became obsessed about that fact.

[Huntsman Spider]

You can actually blame Civil War for the split, and that gets into some pretty thorny issues about whether or not superheroes should be answerable to a higher authority, given the collateral damage that seems to wrack up whenever they're out fighting the good fight, or if they should be allowed to operate unmolested by politics and bureaucracy, given how corrupt institutional authorities tend to be in a superhero-centric universe. That said, Cap offered an olive branch to Tony at the end, admitted he was wrong for keeping how Tony's parents really died and who the murder weapon was a secret from him, and said he'd be there anytime Tony needed him. In Avengers: Infinity War, even facing a threat like Thanos and his vanguard, Tony still wouldn't call Cap, and by the time Bruce Banner was able to call him instead, Tony was already off in space with Peter/Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, and that was what kept them from being able to unite against Thanos's forces.

[H-E-D]

Cap had no reasonable way of knowing when he split the Avengers in Civil War that it would make it easier for an alien to collect a bunch of magic rocks and kill half of everything. So, even if that's what enabled Thanos' victory, it isn't Steve's fault, because he wasn't making an informed choice in that sense. As opposed to Star-Lord and Thor, who both fully knew what the deal was, and chose not to act decisively to stop it.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Ya know, Tony, Dr. Strange and Spidey had the option of turning back during Infinity War. Stark flat out refuses to consider turning back, wanting to take the fight to Thanos.

I mean, Dr. Strange can look into a million futures, but not use that to learn how to turn around the ship?

Instead, Tony forges ahead with an ally of unknown (to him) power, himself and Spider-Man. Against a man he knows has an army, and who kicked Hulk and Thor's ass (both of whom held their own against him).

Had Tony chosen to head back, to fight the fight on earth, things might have ended differently.

[Cmbmool]

Cap had no reasonable way of knowing when he split the Avengers in Civil War that it would make it easier for an alien to collect a bunch of magic rocks and kill half of everything. So, even if that's what enabled Thanos' victory, it isn't Steve's fault, because he wasn't making an informed choice in that sense. As opposed to Star-Lord and Thor, who both fully knew what the deal was, and chose not to act decisively to stop it.

What about the idea of Tony wanting an Armor around the Earth to protect it from danger ?

[Cmbmool]

You can actually blame Civil War for the split, and that gets into some pretty thorny issues about whether or not superheroes should be answerable to a higher authority, given the collateral damage that seems to wrack up whenever they're out fighting the good fight, or if they should be allowed to operate unmolested by politics and bureaucracy, given how corrupt institutional authorities tend to be in a superhero-centric universe. That said, Cap offered an olive branch to Tony at the end, admitted he was wrong for keeping how Tony's parents really died and who the murder weapon was a secret from him, and said he'd be there anytime Tony needed him. In Avengers: Infinity War, even facing a threat like Thanos and his vanguard, Tony still wouldn't call Cap, and by the time Bruce Banner was able to call him instead, Tony was already off in space with Peter/Spider-Man and Doctor Strange, and that was what kept them from being able to unite against Thanos's forces.

No Tony was about to consider calling in Steve if it wasn’t for the attention of Ebony Maw. Also we knew Tony has his ego and pride as a problem, but he knew what had to be done at the time. Even if he didn’t like it.

[SuperiorIronman]

Cap had nothing to do with the snap.

[theoneandonly]

Jameson(not that it's likely that he will be featured in MCU): I blame Spider Man!!!
Hawkeye: I blame the yakuza
Captain Marvel: I blame the kree
rocket: I find the collector guilty for the snap!
Hulk: eeh.. you win some you lose some!
Okoye: I blame the foreigners!
Scott: I agree with Captain America! oh he is yet to speak......

[jackolover]

Captain America being wrong in IF and IE? That whole thing was a mess to follow. To this day I can’t remember what happened in what order. Great movies, yes, but if you asked me the motivations of the Avengers in all this, it is too confusing.

In a conventional movie, you have a beginning a middle and an ending, but the writers turned everything upside down by destroying everything in the first movie, and then trying to do something different in flashback. It’s as bad as Jonathan Hickman’s whole Secret Wars with the Illumanati. (You have no idea who was wrong because you can’t explain what started the Incursions. Was it Age of Ultron, or, some psychological contortion by Doom)? All I can break it down to is Thanos got all the Infinity Stones and snapped his fingers. Endgame? This was some regret by the writers that needed to reinstate the Marvel Universe, but eliminate the original Avengers. I wouldn’t even consider giving fault to the Avengers, because the Thanos gambit was way too big.

And ANTMAN. He gets stuck in the microverse, he comes back in Endgame and he changes everything. They should put up statute of Scott Lang for Endgame. That idiot, who can’t hold a job, and can’t support his daughter, and he was the thing that fixed it all.