Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    Fantastic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    451

    Default Is Rebirth rebooting itself?

    Hello
    I read that
    https://www.newsarama.com/45509-dc-s...e-history.html
    https://www.newsarama.com/45157-retu...g-justice.html

    This sounds almost like the Timeline is rebooting ITSELF?

  2. #2
    Extraordinary Member Zero Hunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    5,656

    Default

    The people in charge just don't seem to care about continuity anymore and just let the writers do what they want without caring if it makes sense or night right now. Characters keep showing up with past history intact even if they have not been seen since before Flashpoint. It is just a giant mess right now. There is no big plan in place just a "screw it do what you want" mentality which is why DC is such a mess right now.

  3. #3
    Ultimate Member Lee Stone's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    10,428

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    The people in charge just don't seem to care about continuity anymore and just let the writers do what they want without caring if it makes sense or night right now. Characters keep showing up with past history intact even if they have not been seen since before Flashpoint. It is just a giant mess right now. There is no big plan in place just a "screw it do what you want" mentality which is why DC is such a mess right now.
    That laxed approach may be because they could be brewing up something next year.
    I've seen rumors of a new Crisis next year, hopefully to sort out Doomsday Clock, Rebirth, the Source Wall, Heroes in Crisis and everything else.
    "There's magic in the sound of analog audio." - CNET.

  4. #4
    Incredible Member KangMiRae's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    The sea!
    Posts
    710

    Default

    The biggest thing that keeps me away from DC is its terrible continuity. I've stopped caring about character history and just read arcs. I pick up books from random points/issues and just read from there. If I did that with Marvel, I'd have yanked my hair out, but with DC it's just such a mess that I've been defeated.
    Last edited by KangMiRae; 06-08-2019 at 11:22 AM.
    Captain of many ships—no matter how much you hate it!
    My Marvel & DC Ships!
    Scott x Jean
    Peter x MJ
    Diana x Steve
    Jean x Logan
    Peter x Gwen
    Bruce x Diana
    Emma x Scott
    Felicia x Peter
    Clark x Lois
    Dick x Babs

  5. #5
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,733

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    The people in charge just don't seem to care about continuity anymore and just let the writers do what they want without caring if it makes sense or night right now. Characters keep showing up with past history intact even if they have not been seen since before Flashpoint. It is just a giant mess right now. There is no big plan in place just a "screw it do what you want" mentality which is why DC is such a mess right now.
    The same goes for Marvel. Writers are more interested in using a version of a character they want rather than stick to what some previous writer established for the character. Part of that is laziness, but on the DC front, writers don't have the time to get a character (and then evolve him to a status quo they want) since most rank and file writers aren't expected to stay on a book for very long (due to a combination of factors including the current editorial regime at DC)
    Last edited by Bruce Wayne; 06-08-2019 at 12:21 PM.

  6. #6
    Extraordinary Member Zero Hunter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    5,656

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Stone View Post
    That laxed approach may be because they could be brewing up something next year.
    I've seen rumors of a new Crisis next year, hopefully to sort out Doomsday Clock, Rebirth, the Source Wall, Heroes in Crisis and everything else.
    I think your giving Didio/Lee way to much credit. I mean it looked like Johns had a plan all mapped out with Rebirth and then those two basically undercut everything he was planning which is why things are such a mess now.

  7. #7
    The Fastest Post Alive! Buried Alien's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,633

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    I think your giving Didio/Lee way to much credit. I mean it looked like Johns had a plan all mapped out with Rebirth and then those two basically undercut everything he was planning which is why things are such a mess now.
    Collectively, Johns, Didio, and Lee should be known as the Lords of Order (Johns) and Chaos (Didio and Lee).

    Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
    Buried Alien - THE FASTEST POST ALIVE!

    First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996

    First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014

  8. #8
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    1,733

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    I think your giving Didio/Lee way to much credit. I mean it looked like Johns had a plan all mapped out with Rebirth and then those two basically undercut everything he was planning which is why things are such a mess now.
    Blame WB and Tsujihara. Johns and Diane Nelson took the fall for that Snyder Justice League movie and Johns lost his Chief Creative Officer job and any influence he had over Didio/Lee/Harras.
    Last edited by Bruce Wayne; 06-08-2019 at 12:51 PM.

  9. #9
    Wally 'Ginger' West fan
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Along one of the Birkeland Currents that traverse the Milky Way. I forget the exact cross streets.
    Posts
    2,373

    Default

    They keep rebooting because they keep losing their soles.
    It socks.

    (I'm suffering from heat prostration. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.)
    Parental care is way exhausting. Gained insight into what my parents went through when I was a baby. Not fun, but what ya gonna do? (Read comics, obviously.)

  10. #10
    The Fastest Post Alive! Buried Alien's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,633

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyer View Post
    They keep rebooting because they keep losing their soles.
    It socks.

    (I'm suffering from heat prostration. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.)
    Lie down in the shade with a cool, wet towel over your head. You should feel better within an hour.

    Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
    Buried Alien - THE FASTEST POST ALIVE!

    First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996

    First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014

  11. #11
    Incredible Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Posts
    548

    Default

    I'm not the biggest wally West fan.... But I'm hoping hero's in crisis was just Dr Manhattan 's manipulation....

  12. #12
    Astonishing Member superduperman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Metropolis USA
    Posts
    3,618

    Default

    It almost seems like Lee is trying to turn DC into the old Image. Where creators are free to just do whatever they want. Maybe there's a larger plan for next year but it's looking dubious at best. I assume Doomsday Clock is leading somewhere but I can't imagine where. Unless it's just to restore the pre-Flashpoint continuity outright. Which the other two would have to sign off on and I don't know that Didio would do that. That would mean we just wasted nearly ten years trying to get back to where we were before when sales weren't so great prompting the New 52 in the first place. Leaving this problem to rear its head again five years down the line. TBH, a hard reboot or line wide clean up of some kind is in order to avoid that. Of course by then, floppies will be so expensive that DC will be debating junking them altogether.
    Now listen to me, Clark! This great strength of yours--you've got to hide it from people or they'll be scared of you!

  13. #13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    It almost seems like Lee is trying to turn DC into the old Image. Where creators are free to just do whatever they want. Maybe there's a larger plan for next year but it's looking dubious at best. I assume Doomsday Clock is leading somewhere but I can't imagine where. Unless it's just to restore the pre-Flashpoint continuity outright. Which the other two would have to sign off on and I don't know that Didio would do that. That would mean we just wasted nearly ten years trying to get back to where we were before when sales weren't so great prompting the New 52 in the first place. Leaving this problem to rear its head again five years down the line. TBH, a hard reboot or line wide clean up of some kind is in order to avoid that. Of course by then, floppies will be so expensive that DC will be debating junking them altogether.
    I wonder about that . . .
    Pull List:
    Marvel: Spider-Man:Renew Your Vows, Champions, Marvel Two-in-One, Fantastic Four (2018), Avengers (2018), Mr and Mrs X, Ironheart
    DC: Not much these days, but being cautiously optimistic for Shazam! (2018-2019) and Young Justice

  14. #14
    Ultimate Member Sacred Knight's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    15,935

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by superduperman View Post
    It almost seems like Lee is trying to turn DC into the old Image. Where creators are free to just do whatever they want. Maybe there's a larger plan for next year but it's looking dubious at best. I assume Doomsday Clock is leading somewhere but I can't imagine where. Unless it's just to restore the pre-Flashpoint continuity outright. Which the other two would have to sign off on and I don't know that Didio would do that. That would mean we just wasted nearly ten years trying to get back to where we were before when sales weren't so great prompting the New 52 in the first place. Leaving this problem to rear its head again five years down the line. TBH, a hard reboot or line wide clean up of some kind is in order to avoid that. Of course by then, floppies will be so expensive that DC will be debating junking them altogether.
    Honestly I think that's all Doomsday Clock will do in the end. Just bring back those last remaining missing vestiges that aren't back yet. That's it. Its just that what will be done with them once its back is up Didio and Lee now, probably not Johns. It likely won't lead into the next thing, as is so often the pattern at DC, because Johns' doesn't have much influence anymore. For better or worse (and for me it will be a mixed bag; he plans things a lot better than Didio and Lee, but I'm not much a fan of his preferred status quos anymore). The true "event that leads to the next event" type set-up is happening in the pages of Justice League now--and perhaps to an equal-or-lesser extent Event Leviathan--not Doomsday Clock anymore. What Doomsday Clock brings back looks like it'll be respected (at least for a while), but doesn't appear likely to be the lead in to anything else as far as the larger direction goes.
    Last edited by Sacred Knight; 06-11-2019 at 10:02 PM.
    "They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El

    "Now why don't we step up here and everybody get stepped up, and let's get some stepped up personal space up in this place." - Phillip Jacobs

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •