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    Default Papa Legba (American Horror Story) vs Dormammu and Mephesto

    Round 1: Legba vs Mephesto
    Round 2: Legba vs Dormammu

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    What are Legba's feats?

    Dormammu in particular is a guy who can kick the snot out of Classic Strange and threaten reality (with prep) as a go to thing he does.
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    Papa Legba is a powerful spiritual entity with a variety of supernatural powers.

    Immortality - As a deity, he is not susceptible to human weaknesses, thus being immune to all aging, disease, and death.
    Transmutation - The magical ability to move instantaneously from one location to another. This power is more commonly known as Teleportation.
    Through Space - Papa Legba can move freely through the worlds.
    Pyrokinesis - The magical ability to create, control and manipulate fire with the power of the mind. Papa Legba used this ability in hell to instantly heat a fire poker for Marie Laveau when he ordered her to continue torturing.
    Telekinesis - The magical ability to move things with the power of the mind. Papa Legba was seen to close the door to the rooms when he had collected his innocent soul from Marie Laveau.
    Clairvoyance - The magical ability to read the minds of others. Papa Legba was able to hear Marie Laveau's demand of Immortality, and when Cordelia went to him, he already knew which would be her demand.
    Soul Collecting - Papa Legba can collect the souls of humans, witches, and even the Antichrist Michael Langdon.
    Soul Exchanging - Papa Legba can exchange a soul for a darker soul. Cordelia makes a deal with Papa Legba to exchange Marie Laveau's soul for Dinah Stevens' soul, to take her place in hell.
    Immortality Blessing and Revoking - Papa Legba was able to bless and revoke someone with immortality, turn humans and witches into Immortals as well as turning back.
    Sovereignty of Hell - As a figure of darkness, Papa Legba rules and oversees dimensions in Hell. However, he stated that "he's merely a gatekeeper", implying that he has less control over those dimensions than Satan.
    Immunity to Timeline Alteration - Unlike humans, but like demons, Papa seems both aware and unaffected by the alteration of timelines, as he has been conscious of what Mallory did, and brought Misty back to life as a reward.
    Cosmic awareness - Papa knows and understands what's transpiring across the universe. He was aware of the existence of Michael Langdon as the Antichrist in both original and altered timelines.
    Bypassing Supernatural Restrictions - As a deity, he can casually exceed supernatural restraints.
    Death Reversal - Papa used this ability to reverse the death of Marie Laveau, in a deal closed with Cordelia Goode, and Misty Day, after releasing her from her Hell.

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    What level of "immortality" are we talking about here?

    Seems like Dormammu should be able to beat him up just fine from this list. If he is a "true" immortal then a 10-count would still win in the Arena. Assuming Legba can take damage.

    Mephisto can do most of that esoteric stuff himself but can also throw down with Surfer.
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    I have very little faith any character from a show on FX bar Legion could compete with comic characters.

    Part of the horror of AHS is the relatively human/non-powered protagonists in comparison to that season's antagonists. Dormammu and Mephisto of all people aren't exactly lacking in power...

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    That's a lot of stuff, but it doesn't tell us how much oomph everything carries. I mean, heating up a fire poker isn't exactly blowing up a planet.

    I think we need feats for what the dude HAS done to judge the depth of his power, not just the breadth.
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    But he can heat up fire pokers and close doors with his mind. Does Dormammu have feats for closing doors with his mind?

    Also:
    Death Reversal
    That's a fancy sounding wrestling move. I really don't think Dormammu can match this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol_M View Post
    But he can heat up fire pokers and close doors with his mind. Does Dormammu have feats for closing doors with his mind?
    The shame of it! Furnace Face's weakness is a shut door!

    That's a fancy sounding wrestling move. I really don't think Dormammu can match this.
    Deadly.

    Hm.

    Naw, the Dorm has the Pincers of Power (I wish I were joking), so he's doing okay in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpandpointies View Post
    Naw, the Dorm has the Pincers of Power (I wish I were joking), so he's doing okay in this situation.
    Oh, wow, you really weren't kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol_M View Post
    Never joke about the Pincers of Power!

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    I feel like the context of the Pincers make it even more ridiculous than it already is.

    I've changed my mind, Papa Legba needs to come up with something truly ridiculous, else he loses.

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    As one of Furnace Face's many moments where his ego over-rode his intellect, it certainly was a stand-out.
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    Well damn haven't any of you seen the show?

    In context of the shows third season as I haven’t seen the eighth...he was more powerful then any magic user on earth, he was more powerful then any witch or voodoo practitioner, they could control others mind, powerful telekinesis where one flipped a bus, raise up zombies, raise the dead, self resurrection, he was in charge of his own hell dimension I believe where two characters were sent after death.

    The following Is from season 8 but I didn’t see it so take with a grain of salt.

    In apocalypse they asked him to defeat the antichrist who also was a very powerful magic user powered by his father Satan, he was willing but a bargain was not made. He brought back very long dead characters. He was immune to one witch manipulating time and space screwing with the timeline.

    He granted and took away immortal life, one of characters was buried alive for centuries and was fine, two others were dismembered but died only cause they couldn’t keep there part of the bargain.

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    If the magic users he was more powerful than were not on the scale of "blow up planets, tank supernova and mess with black holes" then using them as a measuring stick doesn't change much.

    Dormammu treats mages on that level like hacky sacks.

    "Controlling his own dimension" is pretty legit sounding, but really hard to quantify as a useable feat. It's a status thing and less an actual display of might. Can he warp reality there? Create worlds out of thin air? Because Dorm and Mephisto likewise rule their own dimensions and have displayed feats of warping reality on a large scale.

    Like the Queen "rules" England but is no more powerful than an ordinary person. You still need feats to go along with the presentation of your title.

    Being immune to time travel effects is pretty good.

    How good is the "immortality"? Like surviving being buried alive for a century is one thing. Tanking a nuke without a scratch is another. Longevity =/= immunity from damage without feats to back it up. If immortals from this show have ever taken damage, if only briefly, then probably Dorm can explode them so badly it's at minimum a 10-count if not outright fatal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Arbiter View Post
    If the magic users he was more powerful than were not on the scale of "blow up planets, tank supernova and mess with black holes" then using them as a measuring stick doesn't change much.

    Dormammu treats mages on that level like hacky sacks.

    "Controlling his own dimension" is pretty legit sounding, but really hard to quantify as a useable feat. It's a status thing and less an actual display of might. Can he warp reality there? Create worlds out of thin air? Because Dorm and Mephisto likewise rule their own dimensions and have displayed feats of warping reality on a large scale.

    Like the Queen "rules" England but is no more powerful than an ordinary person. You still need feats to go along with the presentation of your title.

    Being immune to time travel effects is pretty good.

    How good is the "immortality"? Like surviving being buried alive for a century is one thing. Tanking a nuke without a scratch is another. Longevity =/= immunity from damage without feats to back it up. If immortals from this show have ever taken damage, if only briefly, then probably Dorm can explode them so badly it's at minimum a 10-count if not outright fatal.
    To be fair most immortals even in comics die if they take enough damage, very few are ever on say the saint of killers level. But the only way they died in the show was when he removed the immortality.

    In coven he gave people there own Hell’s

    Well to be fair in the context of the show no one needed to blow up planets none the less messing with the time line is something

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