Sophie Turner is not a box office draw. Dark Phoenix had a first time director. The film was delayed for over a year due to poor tear audience reactions and reshoots. Frankly, it just sucked.
Solo X-characters like Deadpool and Wolverine did well at the box office.
In fact Deadpool did well enough to carry over and Deadpool 2 had the beginnings of X-Force!
Agreed! They don’t need the men in the title. It would not surprise me if Reign of X, House of X, and Dawn of X were not conceived of as potential movie titles. X of Swords too.
Marvel has remade the mutants into something resembling Star Wars in the Krakoa era, particularly with planet Arrako. And I think this is to inspire movies radically different from Fox X-Men.
I probably wouldn't care if they change it as long as it doesn't sound stupid. I'd be fine with X-Women. What I would hate is something like X-Folx.
What do you mean by "sell a change"?
Why did "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises" earn much more money than any other Batman movie? They didn't even have the Batman name. It's almost like people follow these franchises because of the characters and not the name of the movie
If tomorrow they released a movie called " X-Nation: Mutant Massacre" or " X-Factor: Second Genesis" what would be the hard thing to sell? People would see the X logo and professor X and maybe Wolverine and either would or wouldn't wanna see it. Maybe I'm wrong about this but I don't think people have this inherent desire to buy something because of the name "X-men". If you released a movie called X-men: Extinction" starring the Hellions kids with Emma Frost as the leader, I don't think the name X-men would have that big of an impact. People care about the characters they know, not the name of the movie.
The film definitely doesn't have to be called or titled "X-Men," but I want to see a group assembled and referred to as the X-men.
I agree with others that the brand is to important to ignore, everyone is waiting for the X-Men to debut in the MCU. I mean, Marvel/Disney punished them in the comics to thumb their nose at Fox when they had them, now Disney/Marvel has them, use them, use the name, there is power in the name!
I actually like "Dawn of X" for a first film title, it alludes to both the team and the X-gene. This film should present mutants, and the reveal/discovery of, as something out of left field for the public at large and a cat-out-of-the-bag for world governments.
Mutants definitely need to be seen as a shift in the MCU on many levels.
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As long as it's obvious the films will feature X-Men characters, I don't think it matters much what they'll be titled. Yes, "X-Men" is a well known brand name, but I'm pretty sure the general audience had no idea who or what the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, or Shang-Chi were before their movies became huge successes. People have been waiting to see mutants in the MCU for a long time now. They could name the movies anything and be certain to make billions.
No the only change I would accept is X-Man to represent being Ex-Human in humanity's eyes because that would be dope imo.
X-MEN is X-MEN now and forever. It is timely-timeless and not dated.
First of all, the Dark Knight and Man of Steel were already very well known names for Batman and Superman- probably the most famous ones for a fictional character this side of 007.
Second, the first movie of the trilogy wasn't The Dark Knight begins...
Third, in at least some parts of the world, the movie was called Batman: The Dark Knight (in most of Latin America, for example).
So is everyone just talking about film titles or how they market the team?
Because you could make a case for using something other than the team name in the title of the film itself, although Marvel has not really shown any example of being able to do that, people do refer to the Spider-Man movies by their secondary titles. However, the character is still Spider-Man, so then the question is could you avoid saying X-Men in the title but also avoid saying X-Men in the script, marketing, licensing, etc etc.
By "sell a change", I just meant having people move onto another name instead of X-Men. That being said, there will be merchandise, and that's where the change would also matter.
As for selling items by just X-Men alone, it already happens. There are items you can buy simply labeled X-Men. The brand sells.
Also, if the name truly doesn't matter, why change it? If it has no affect, there isn't a reason to change anything. I'm not sure I understand this frame of thinking? If feels like a contradictory point.
Either way I agree, the characters matter more. That being said, you see Wolverine, you also usually think X-Men.
As for your movie examples, those were just titles for the films. Batman and Superman were in those movies. They weren't called something else.
I'm not sure, but you're right. Movie titles are generally broad with Marvel, but they generally retain the brand. That being said, the toys or shirts will need something other than the movie name. I feel like fans by default will refer to everything as X-Men.
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Wait what? Show me a piece outside comics where Batman is called "The Dark Knight". The only thing I know know is an episode of Batman the Brave and the Bold s01e05, which I don't think is proof that he was widely known. I'm absolutely sure that 80% of the people that saw the name The Dark Knight had no idea what it meant. I sure didn't at the time since I had never read a comic book.
I don't think Man of Steel was a widely known term either in reference to Superman. The only time I remember seeing it was in the John Byrne book, and most people watching the movie obviously never read John Byrne. Yes, the name existed long before that, but in 2013 I didn't know that, nor did my dad or mom or my friends, nor most people outside comics.
Plus are you really telling me that in 2008 non comic fans know who "the dark knight" was but don't know the name "X-Force" nowadays?
And how does Batman Begins factor into this? You are the ones arguing that people won't know it's a movie about Professor X and Wolverine and Cyclops unless it's called "X-men"
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