Let the Sidekicks become Adults

[Masterff]

Hello,

I have a Question:

DC had the Titans, who still exist, but different formation etc.

Now I would like to ask why DC didnt/doesnt let the Sidekicks finally grow up.


I mean one of my wishes at the moment would be a Team consisting of the 22-25 Year old Versions of:
-Kon El
-Tim Drake
-Cassie
-Bart

along with other members.

1. For TIM DRAKE
I REALLY LOVED how DC designed the Titans of Tomorrow Tim Drake in Rebirth, he was cool, clever, good in battle and a real genius, maybe better than Bruce himself.
I loved this Outfit of the Arkham Games, where he also looked older than current Comic Tim
https://www.quora.com/Who-should-hav...-Arkham-Knight
He would be a great Master-Mind for the Group

2. For CASSIE SANDSMARK
Simply the Titans of Tomorrow Rebirth Version..She was amazing, beautiful, great costume, great Leader

3. For KON EL
http://comicartcommunity.com/wp-cont...-Unchained.jpg
I loved this outfit,body size etc. and it would perfectly match for Kon El when he is 22-25 Years old..
Simply replace cape with leather jacket and give him also TTK

4. For Bart
I like a kind of Flash Costume for him, but maybe not the Titans of Tomorrow one...


I would find this very cool and I think it could also have big success and show that proteges can become better than the mentors...

I like Young Justice, BUT I would prefer such a TITAN approach to them...
We already have Teen Titans and Bart,Conner,Cassie...should have outgrow this roles and be able to take on bigger villains...

[Jon Clark]

For the sidekicks to reach adulthood the mentors have to actually get older. DC has spent 80+ years rebooting Superman and Batman so that they can be eternally young stars of the DC line.

Dick Grayson has to be old enough when he becomes Nightwing to no longer be a "teen wonder". Now add in Jason having at least enough time to be recognized as a separate Robin (not just a fill-in). And now we have to add enough time for Tim to go from teen Robin to 22-25 year old guy. So now Dick is older than Bruce was when Batman appeared and Bruce is closer to 40 than 35 (if not over 40).

Same logic applies to Cassie who ages up Donna if not Diana (though Diana supposedly starts aging upon leaving the island in some takes). Kon-El at the least means Superman has aged 6-9 years from Kon's debut as 16 to your preferred age. Bart has the problem of either co-existing with one of the Kid Flashes or else expanding Barry's career to include the original, Barry's death and then Bart's whole career.

[Aahz]

When it comes to aging up the thir mentors, Tim is actually the only problem.

Amazons don't age, Kryptonians age iirc slower and Kon is anyway clone, and with Speedsters seem also to age slower (at least Jay Garrik did iirc) and Bart is anyway Time traveller.

The Bigger problem is that ageing them up is that they will come to close to the age of the original Titans.

[Superfly Frankenstein]

For the sidekicks to reach adulthood the mentors have to actually get older. DC has spent 80+ years rebooting Superman and Batman so that they can be eternally young stars of the DC line.

Dick Grayson has to be old enough when he becomes Nightwing to no longer be a "teen wonder". Now add in Jason having at least enough time to be recognized as a separate Robin (not just a fill-in). And now we have to add enough time for Tim to go from teen Robin to 22-25 year old guy. So now Dick is older than Bruce was when Batman appeared and Bruce is closer to 40 than 35 (if not over 40).

Same logic applies to Cassie who ages up Donna if not Diana (though Diana supposedly starts aging upon leaving the island in some takes). Kon-El at the least means Superman has aged 6-9 years from Kon's debut as 16 to your preferred age. Bart has the problem of either co-existing with one of the Kid Flashes or else expanding Barry's career to include the original, Barry's death and then Bart's whole career.

I agree to an extent. We already have the possibility of Superman having aged at least ten years since KonEl appeared because we have a ten year old Jon Kent, who had to have been born AFTER the Death of Superman. So, we have a window of having a 20 something Kon El. We are looking at a universe where Superman and Batman are much closer to 40 than 35. If we go by the math that Superman debut at the age of 22 and he was flying around Metropolis at least seven years after the debut when Doomsday hit, that means for Jon to have been born after the fact, Superman is pushing 40, if not into his early 40s.

[Vakanai]

Some generations of sidekicks already have. Honestly, I think the only ones still under 18 is Jon and Damian, and even Jon is pushing it.

[Digifiend]

Yeah, the only ones who should be under 18 at this point are the rookie members of Young Justice (Teen Lantern, who's actually 11, Jinny Hex, and maybe Amethyst), Superboy (Jon), Supergirl, and the current Teen Titans (except for Djinn). DC's teen heroes mostly lean older than Marvel's, since most of Marvel's were introduced fairly recently (the ones who are as old as the Young Justice classics and Fab Five and New Teen Titans have actually aged into adulthood, for example Nova, who now has a teen successor).

[Gero4568]

Yeah, the only ones who should be under 18 at this point are the rookie members of Young Justice (Teen Lantern, who's actually 11, Jinny Hex, and maybe Amethyst), Superboy (Jon), Supergirl, and the current Teen Titans (except for Djinn). DC's teen heroes mostly lean older than Marvel's, since most of Marvel's were introduced fairly recently (the ones who are as old as the Young Justice classics and Fab Five and New Teen Titans have actually aged into adulthood, for example Nova, who now has a teen successor).

Isn't Supergirl (Kara) supposed to be close in age to the original Titans?

[Rac7d*]

Some generations of sidekicks already have. Honestly, I think the only ones still under 18 is Jon and Damian, and even Jon is pushing it.

tim has been 17 for 15 years

[Vakanai]

tim has been 17 for 15 years

Wasn't he over 18 for a little while and then deaged? So it's not like he was 17 for 15 years straight. Just the bulk of a 15 year period, with a minor traipse into 18+ somewhere in there.

[Masterff]

For the sidekicks to reach adulthood the mentors have to actually get older. DC has spent 80+ years rebooting Superman and Batman so that they can be eternally young stars of the DC line.

Dick Grayson has to be old enough when he becomes Nightwing to no longer be a "teen wonder". Now add in Jason having at least enough time to be recognized as a separate Robin (not just a fill-in). And now we have to add enough time for Tim to go from teen Robin to 22-25 year old guy. So now Dick is older than Bruce was when Batman appeared and Bruce is closer to 40 than 35 (if not over 40).

Same logic applies to Cassie who ages up Donna if not Diana (though Diana supposedly starts aging upon leaving the island in some takes). Kon-El at the least means Superman has aged 6-9 years from Kon's debut as 16 to your preferred age. Bart has the problem of either co-existing with one of the Kid Flashes or else expanding Barry's career to include the original, Barry's death and then Bart's whole career.

Not really....
This is FICTIONAL and this means you could use the old method of Series and Comics, where the MENTOR KEEPS HIS AGE and the SIDEKICK gets older...
This was also done before Flashpoint where Kon El,Tim,Bart etc. became older and Clark,Bruce etc. kept their age....
Its not a big problem...

What everybody already said. The current DC wants the Justice League gen to be the main characters the audience prefer, and they can't have that if their sidekicks grow up into something younger, sexier, and more relatable.

Thats a CURRENT DC PROBLEM..
BEFORE Nightwing,Wally,Garth....became older and became as powerful or in Wallys Case more powerful than his mentor...

But, DC just de-aged practically everybody at the start of the New52 back in 2011!!!

You want DC to suddenly re-age (and more!) all the characters now?

Its enough if you re-establish the Pre-Flashpoint ages and let the Side-Kicks become older and keep the mentors age.

At the end of Flashpoint Tim looked older than 20 Years with his long hairs and Red Robin Outfit with the cowl...

Everyone on that show is way older than most of their comic counterparts.

It depends, they were de-aged now in Rebirth, because Tim in Show should be in the same age as he was at the end of Pre-Flashpoint.

Yeah, Tim definitely should've been 18 at that point.
Especially after the timeskip between seasons 2 and 3. They aged up so much that Aqualad outright replaced Aquaman.

Yeah, Kara is one of those characters whose current continuity is strictly post-New 52. Post-Crisis originally had a rule that Superman should be the only surviving Kryptonian, hence the 90s Matrix Supergirl.

This changed in 2004 when my favorite Version of Supergirl showed up (trained by the Amazons and friend of Cassie and Conner)

Barbara was at least 25 (since she was in Congress), while Kara was college age.

How do you know that?
I remind at the Supergirl Story where she was ONE DAY in High School and she quit, because of being bullied..

I think they should let them remain teenagers.

The more Robins they add and age up, the older Batman gets. There won't be room for all of these characters.

This is what ruinates the characters TIM etc. because they simply dont have the chance to develop and become legends on their own...
This is what I miss, Pre-Flashpoint managed it a million times better...



It would be VERY SIMPLE:

Freeze Bruce,Clark,Diana,Barry at 35
Dick,Donna,Wally,Garth are 28 or so
Tim,Bart,Conner,Cassie... are 22-25 Years old

So you would have the chance to have 2 great but different TITANS Teams....

[Konja7]

Its enough if you re-establish the Pre-Flashpoint ages and let the Side-Kicks become older and keep the mentors age.

At the end of Flashpoint Tim looked older than 20 Years with his long hairs and Red Robin Outfit with the cowl...

Tim was still 17 in Pre-Flashpoint continuity, even if he looks older.

It was mentioned that he quits high school.

[SilverWarriorWolf]

Let’s go back to the Golden Age and start with Superbaby and Battot, and then age in real time! /s

In all seriousness, this is a touch question, and one that I doubt has a simple, catch all solution.

[Restingvoice]

Thats a CURRENT DC PROBLEM..
BEFORE Nightwing,Wally,Garth....became older and became as powerful or in Wallys Case more powerful than his mentor...

How do you know that?
I remind at the Supergirl Story where she was ONE DAY in High School and she quit, because of being bullied..

Well, we're in the Current, not in the Before.

The Supergirl and Batgirl age was in 70s comic.

[The Darknight Detective]

How do you know that?
I remind at the Supergirl Story where she was ONE DAY in High School and she quit, because of being bullied..

As Restingvoice recently pointed out, the approximate ages of both Batgirl and Supergirl were known to Bronze-Age readers like myself. Clark and Bruce, FWIW, were in their late twenties.

[Jackalope89]

Hello,

I have a Question:

DC had the Titans, who still exist, but different formation etc.

Now I would like to ask why DC didnt/doesnt let the Sidekicks finally grow up.


I mean one of my wishes at the moment would be a Team consisting of the 22-25 Year old Versions of:
-Kon El
-Tim Drake
-Cassie
-Bart

along with other members.

1. For TIM DRAKE
I REALLY LOVED how DC designed the Titans of Tomorrow Tim Drake in Rebirth, he was cool, clever, good in battle and a real genius, maybe better than Bruce himself.
I loved this Outfit of the Arkham Games, where he also looked older than current Comic Tim
https://www.quora.com/Who-should-hav...-Arkham-Knight
He would be a great Master-Mind for the Group

2. For CASSIE SANDSMARK
Simply the Titans of Tomorrow Rebirth Version..She was amazing, beautiful, great costume, great Leader

3. For KON EL
http://comicartcommunity.com/wp-cont...-Unchained.jpg
I loved this outfit,body size etc. and it would perfectly match for Kon El when he is 22-25 Years old..
Simply replace cape with leather jacket and give him also TTK

4. For Bart
I like a kind of Flash Costume for him, but maybe not the Titans of Tomorrow one...


I would find this very cool and I think it could also have big success and show that proteges can become better than the mentors...

I like Young Justice, BUT I would prefer such a TITAN approach to them...
We already have Teen Titans and Bart,Conner,Cassie...should have outgrow this roles and be able to take on bigger villains...

Have you seen what DC has done to the original Titans? Dick is busy being "Ric", while his own title series has been taken over by a bunch nobodies. Roy was unceremoniously killed off. Wally turned into a mass murderer that tried to frame others. Donna was an alcoholic last we saw. And a good number of others were iced along with Roy.

Why? Because they had the audacity to make Batman and company look older than 30.