"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger
We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.
Again, I feel like it should be pointed out that new readers can be attracted without completely rewriting established continuity and canon. Of course, we don't know for sure that that is what's happening here. If it is, though, its not something that I think is beneficial in the long run. If reading comics for most of my life has taught me anything, its that when new fans jump onto a shiny, gimmicky new direction, they don't tend to stay on for very long.
I think engaging and inclusive are pretty self-explanatory. Engaging is simply stories that are, well, interesting. Inclusive means stories that include several different/diverse perspectives and people from marginalized populations as key protagonists or at least as important characters.
For clarity's sake, though, I think it should be defined what the difference is between a reboot, relaunch, and retcon from my perspective:
Relaunch: simply, well, relaunching a book under a new direction, but with all the past continuity and character developments intact
Retcon: revealing that something wasn't what was once thought, but while still recognizing the developments that came before
Reboot: completely and entirely rewriting continuity and wiping the slate clean when it comes to past stories, character developments, etc. and failing to acknowledge any past stories that came prior to a certain arbitrary fixed point.
We've seen enough from DC to learn that reboots don't really work in the long run (*cough* New 52 *cough*). In fact, they can be quite harmful to a franchise long-term because of the hemorraging of lore and story elements that build up a comic book universe.
Is this the same Legion that partook in the most famous Legion stories: Great Darkness Saga, Earthwar, etc.? If so, I'm in. If not, I don't know if I will be.
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"Mark my words! This drill will open a hole in the universe. And that hole will become a path for those that follow after us. The dreams of those who have fallen. The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow. THAT's Tengen Toppa! THAT'S Gurren Lagann! MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!" - The Digger
We walk on the path to Secher Nbiw. Though hard fought, we walk the Golden Path.
Since the Legion Jon's going to join live in the 32nd Century instead of the 30-31st Century, I'm beginning to wonder if this Legion are a new generation or descendants of the original Legion.
No matter how many reboots, new origins, reinterpretations or suit redesigns. In the end, he will always be SUPERMAN
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DiDio hates heroes being "aged" by having children (or any other reason), but Jon Kent is/was much more popular than Chris Kent had ever been (for many a reason). Hell, Dick and Wally are only around (in horrible shape, but still) because the readers practically force their existence onto DiDio! I was frankly surprised by how quickly after his pre-planned death editorial had Damian brought back (due to popular demand), but for most of the nEw 52 his existence was ignored almost as much as Tim's connection to Gotham - and outside Super Sons (RIP) and his edgy Teen Titans he hasn't really done much since, either. With Jon aged up and shipped off into the distant future they have ample room to "adjust" how long ago he was born and - at least unless this Legion becomes a gigantic hit and basis for a feature film - mostly ignore his existence in the books set in the 21st century. And I remain convinced that Lois being caught kissing Superman (which is otherwise utterly devoid of story purpose) will eventually serve as the pretext to annull the Lane-Kent marriage, which is a holy grail of DiDio's. Due to all those Robins (and Green Lanterns) I really don't see how they could possibly arrange a believable official timeline with Clark, Bruce et al. any younger than in their late thirties, anyway, but I can't imagine that they would let this stop them from going almost as ridiculous as the nEw 52's "five years ago".
Death's Head, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, House of X, Powers of X.
Ascender, DIE, Saga, The Wicked + The Divine.
Adventures of the Super Sons, Batman Beyond, Catwoman, Lois Lane, Naomi, Young Justice.
Welll first, Jon is not Dick Grayson or Wally West. He's not remotely comparable to either of those classic characters. If Didio had the power to mandate this, it stands to reason he could have just gone the extra mile and gotten rid of him completely. There's certainly every chance he could get away with it in a way they just could never do with Dick, in a way they couldn't when they actually did try it with Wally. Jon is not that special a character by a longshot. He's only circa four years old in publication for goodness sake. And aging Jon up and having him join the Legion doesn't make Superman look any less older, hell it doesn't even remove him from the Superman books according to Bendis. He's gone on record saying that Jon is in every issue of Superman for the foreseeable future, so a removal isn't happening either. Knowing all this, what would Didio be gaining if he was responsible for this because of his dislike of kids and the feeling of aging of the big guns? None of his apparent qualms are rectified by doing this. The theory just doesn't correlate at all with what is actually happening. To anyone's knowledge on the outside, there's just nothing to suggest this wasn't simply Bendis' idea, as opposed to a higher edict.
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"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
That is what i am saying as well. The "son of superman" concept that existed since the silverage is not the reason clark got shafted from legion. It is bendis's big idea.how can a concept influence people's decisions? You liking jon or not is entirely your business.
And Ofcourse they will go for a reboot. That's what they do. It's DC. And Supercharacters rarely ever get to stick around. DC likes removing things from its canon than adding to it.
The reality is we don't know why Clark got shafted from the Legion. We're not in Bendis's head so its impossible to say (though the silver Age reference is quite inapplicable to today. The Silver Age concept was an entirely imaginary story concept, it never had anything to do with the then main Earth-One Superman and never affected him, so its not really comparable to how the idea of a son affects Superman in the present day). But I'm not issuing blame on every detail and the step-by-step nature of how the pitch came to be, as I don't know the details. All I've said is I like the general Legion designs, and the only reason I'm out is that I'm not a fan of Jon (yes I railed on him more than that but that was an in general) and I'm not a fan of Superman losing his history. The correlation of it all, how it all came together, I don't know and was not intending to come across as speculating. Hell as far as I know if Jon didn't exist maybe Bendis does something similar with Conner or something and I'm still mad. Who knows.
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"They can be a great people Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son." - Jor-El
I mean the Legion has been retconned some times and its connection with Superman has changed. Even the Legion for other member of the Superman family is different.
Also, Bendis have make some big changes (like Jon's age up). That should have given you a clue that Bendis doesn't mind making big and divisive changes.
We can see in Young Justice that Bendis doesn't care so much about continuity. Cassie has Zeus's grandaughter origin, but Conner is Clark-Lex clone.
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Well, as long as DC doesn't want Superman to have had adventures as a teen -- it would be very difficult for him to have had adventures with the Legion. No Superboy, no Superboy in the Legion. I grew up in the era of Superboy (actually preferred him to Superman). but those were different times.
As someone who has almost no knowledge about the Legion, do anyone think I can get into the new Bendis series? Probably no one knows yet if its reader friendly, or a reboot or a mix of old and new stuff...