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    Default What's hurting Diana's Sales

    I feel like inconsistent is the issue. That and the fact small rebooting happens
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    Speaking for myself, I gave up on the book when they pushed Greg Rucka off in the middle of a run that looked like it might finally resolve the problems with Azzarello's run, but still keep the good parts of it.
    And then they replaced him with James Robinson who decided to focus on Dian's random new brother for some stupid reason.
    And I just got sick of trying to sort out the pre-52, New-52, and rebirth continuity, so I just gave up on DC altogether.

    Not even G Willow Wilson could entice me back; she's a great writer, but I resent losing herm writing Ms Marvel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtools View Post
    Speaking for myself, I gave up on the book when they pushed Greg Rucka off in the middle of a run that looked like it might finally resolve the problems with Azzarello's run, but still keep the good parts of it.
    And then they replaced him with James Robinson who decided to focus on Dian's random new brother for some stupid reason.
    And I just got sick of trying to sort out the pre-52, New-52, and rebirth continuity, so I just gave up on DC altogether.

    Not even G Willow Wilson could entice me back; she's a great writer, but I resent losing herm writing Ms Marvel.
    They didn't push Rucka off. He chose to leave.

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    Are her sales that bad? As far as I know she is selling in the mid 30K range, which is pretty standard for Wonder Woman.

    Not saying I like the stories, but the numbers are what they are.
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    He didn’t choice to leave they already had Robison when Rucka’s was on his run. Sure she is 30K but what is keeping her from increasing sales
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    I don’t remember Rucka getting pushed off, he told the story he wanted to tell and set up the new status quo. Then he left to go work on his creator owned projects like Lazarus and Black Magic. If DC has pushed Rucka off AGAIN, there’s no way he’d be doing that Lois Lane book right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    He didn’t choice to leave they already had Robison when Rucka’s was on his run. Sure she is 30K but what is keeping her from increasing sales
    In general, 30K seems to be the regular sales for Wonder Woman.

    This was the case even before New52, so I don't think the sales are really hurt for reboots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtools View Post
    Speaking for myself, I gave up on the book when they pushed Greg Rucka off in the middle of a run that looked like it might finally resolve the problems with Azzarello's run, but still keep the good parts of it.
    And then they replaced him with James Robinson who decided to focus on Dian's random new brother for some stupid reason.
    And I just got sick of trying to sort out the pre-52, New-52, and rebirth continuity, so I just gave up on DC altogether.

    Not even G Willow Wilson could entice me back; she's a great writer, but I resent losing herm writing Ms Marvel.
    She was leaving Ms Marvel regardless - she was out of ideas for her after five years. You can see she was making plans months in advance, that's why issue 31 (Legacy#50) had guest writers, one of whom became the new regular writer from LGY#58 on.

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    What's hurting Diana's sales is that, like some of the other pulp-inspired superheroes, like Hawkman, she has no real mission, anymore. Some of the crusader-types, like Wonder Boy, Captain America or Submariner, haven't had a mission, since World War II. The alternative is what we see: Wonder Woman reacting to things happening to her, ..making seem a guest in her own comic. She's just sort of leaping around, with no consistent motivation for readers to care about.

    To make matters worse, she and the other adventurer heroes suffer from less than imaginative story-telling. The kind of narrative invention that it takes to send a character, like Wonder Woman or Hawkman, into a lost empire, secret civilization or bizarre dimension, every MONTH, ..doesn't seem to exist anymore. [How did they ever do it, in the Golden and Silver Ages?! Amazing!] Hence, we're bludgeoned with one story, after another, about warring Greek gods ..or Circe's attacks, springing from some hackneyed, unfounded hatred of Amazons. Dr. Marston's and Robert Kanigher's imagination...

    Where is it?

    It doesn't help that the WW comic offers no familiar, endearing recurring characters, settings and other elements for readers to follow or emotionally invest in, like Doctor Zarkov, the Warriors Three, a Batcave, Jimmy Olsen, Daily Bugle, Aunt May, Gotham City, Chunk, Mrs. Moneypenny, etc.

    All of these things, I think, conspire to make the WW comic, a deservedly low-seller. Deservedly...
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    Again, what do people mean by hurting?

    She is selling a little under The Flash and better than Captain Marvel.
    If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not

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    Quote Originally Posted by brettc1 View Post
    Again, what do people mean by hurting?

    She is selling a little under The Flash and better than Captain Marvel.
    I think it's just the perennial problem that she should be selling more based on her iconic status - more so now after the film.

    People have these same conversations about Fantastic Four and other classic characters whose sales don't match their rep.

    For me, what's holding WW back is that they never took the chance to build a 'Wonder family' of books, with spin-off titles that create a little corner of the universe for WW, like Batman and Superman have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtools View Post
    Speaking for myself, I gave up on the book when they pushed Greg Rucka off in the middle of a run that looked like it might finally resolve the problems with Azzarello's run, but still keep the good parts of it.
    And then they replaced him with James Robinson who decided to focus on Dian's random new brother for some stupid reason.
    That wasn't Robinson's fault. He was ordered to by Dan Didio.

    Dan DiDio specifically asked me to do something with Jason as it had been a major plot-point that hadn’t been addressed or resolved in over a year.
    https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/0...o-wonder-woman

    The same I believe for all the crap with Zeus.

    In other words DC publishing wanted to undermine Rucka's run immediately after he was out the door (apparently since he had a bunch of writing obligations on several Indie books at Image).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    That wasn't Robinson's fault. He was ordered to by Dan Didio.
    I think we can blame DC for Jason having to be there and daddy!Zeus. But writing them the way he did is all on Robinson (though some of it has to spatter on Conroy as well, as the editor of the title).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    I think we can blame DC for Jason having to be there and daddy!Zeus. But writing them the way he did is all on Robinson (though some of it has to spatter on Conroy as well, as the editor of the title).
    Robinson simply does not do well with editorial mandates from DC (as we saw with Cry for Justice and Superman/New Krypton). You are not going to get water from a rock here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    I think we can blame DC for Jason having to be there and daddy!Zeus. But writing them the way he did is all on Robinson (though some of it has to spatter on Conroy as well, as the editor of the title).
    I think Robinson was doing us a favor. It seems he knew Jason was a hard sell so he intentionally gave him the easily misled over-dramatic slacker personality he knew we wouldn't care for, made him overpowered to the point he almost surpassed Wonder Woman, then shipped him off to limbo. He fulfilled Didio's mandate but also made Jason unlikable and unusable, so he wouldn't be around to clutter up the Wonder-verse.

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