Uncanny X-men 20 [LGY 642] *spoilers*

[baltiroo]

There was nothing forced- the two of them have been through quite some **** together, including being part of the P5, and were living in close quarters and working together for a long time.

And this idea that Cyclops has no friends is non-sense.



Yeah, she started with a bomb attached to her (an idea that was supported by most X-men, mind you) and ended up as part of his inner circle and a good friend. Great character development for the two of them...and then of course Rosenberg ignores it because they weren't like this in 1988 or whatever.

Never said anything about Cyclops not having friends.

Sure, you're right they have been through quite a lot together, but it did feel like he was using her mostly for her stepping disks/teleportation abilities - not to say other leaders/teammates have not.

[PetPigeon]

I'm Cyclops' friend!

[RachelGrey]

I'm Cyclops' friend!

Scott's a good guy, this comic run is just horrible. I don't even get what's going on anymore with all the sudden reappearances of long dead people. Is this some kind of alternate reality and not even the real world at all?

[Omega Alpha]

Never said anything about Cyclops not having friends.

Sure, you're right they have been through quite a lot together, but it did feel like he was using her mostly for her stepping disks/teleportation abilities - not to say other leaders/teammates have not.

Sure, but eventually it grew to a friendship, which made sense exactly because they went though a lot, and It's not like they had a lot of people to confide in.

[RachelGrey]

Sure, but eventually it grew to a friendship, which made sense exactly because they went though a lot, and It's not like they had a lot of people to confide in.

Scott may come off as a military commander but I think Illyana thinks very highly of him. It's like someone else said that people don't sit together to drink and grieve if they don't like each other. It wasn't Scott and Illyana with everyone else, it was just the two of them together grieving for Rahne.

Speaking of people who seem to be friends, why do Elixer and Marrow stick with Emma? She even told Elixer to stop calling her Ms Frost and to call her Emma at one point, something that she isn't his teacher anymore and that he is a full member of the Hellfire Club and her equal. Emma was hit pretty hard when Vanisher died and she even seemed to like him and he looked like he was working as her bodyguard.

The only way Rosenberg is going to redeem this in my mind is if Emma had a plan to counter the cure right from the moment she turned it over. I admit she probably originally intended to ask the X-Men to help her stop the O.N.E. but then she got shocked when it appeared they all died and she was on her own completely. I get the impression she found and recruited Elixer and Marrow after that, although it's possible they were working with her already. Elixer was also really surprised when Emma didn't bring Scott in, so that seems to indicate that Elixer felt that if they explained everything to Scott that he might be willing to join up with them. Emma didn't want to risk bringing Scott in because she felt he wants too much to be "the Hero" and she needed to work covertly and if Scott joined her Callahan would probably kill him immediately.

I feel like this whole series is now about Emma Frost being caught in a government trap and doing everything she can to get out of the trap and save everyone around her at the same time.

[spirit2011]

No it is not the boards/forum are exaggeration of reality. The book isn't as bad as people complaining make it sound. For all deaths that happen,None of people would be projected to get any significant time in upcoming books the last book could do everything but I would bet money that none of those characters would get any real panel time in future books. This is just average X-men run where the writer used smoke and mirrors of C and D list characters dying as gimmick and it didn't quite connect with people. This run won't be remembered it is not good or bad enough to matter. And Hickman stuff being good will clean make people forget what came before it if it is as good as they are saying it is.

This run is a mess, but is nowhere as damaging as Austen. This run gonna be forgotten.

Rosenberg is telling a story for many more issues issues in less issues, so everything feel like going really fast without stops.
Art also doesn't help. Larroca art is messy and hard to understand. Best issue are without Larroca art

[RachelGrey]

This run is a mess, but is nowhere as damaging as Austen. This run gonna be forgotten.

Rosenberg is telling a story for many more issues issues in less issues, so everything feel like going really fast without stops.
Art also doesn't help. Larroca art is messy and hard to understand. Best issue are without Larroca art

I feel like the story is really rushed without any explanation where these characters are coming from. Why did Shinobi kill himself? That didn't make sense, just to keep himself from being captured? He could just explain to Scott that the government is experimenting on all the mutants that are being turned in.

Plus where did the Outcasts come from? Are they gone and done in just 3 pages when they were an ongoing threat for about 2 years in the past?

I feel like either this is horrible writing, or someone is pulling strings outside of all this. It's almost like someone doing a horrible experiment on everyone to see how awful they can make the lives of the X-Men survivors who are still in the 616. It just seems to be piling on them more and more, especially Scott and Emma, it feels like the two of them are just being tortured now. It even makes sense, both of them are given just a tiny bit of hope they can overcome all of this so they keep trying to fight, but every time it feels like they are getting out of the pit they experience this massive setback. Logan is being tortured by making him watch all of these young kids die around him and he isn't able to save any of them. Illyana, Dani, and Karma are being tortured as they watch the people they have cared about being picked off one by one. It feels like someone is torturing all of these characters in different ways and they have been ever since Disassembled.

[spirit2011]

I feel like the story is really rushed without any explanation where these characters are coming from. Why did Shinobi kill himself? That didn't make sense, just to keep himself from being captured? He could just explain to Scott that the government is experimenting on all the mutants that are being turned in.

Plus where did the Outcasts come from? Are they gone and done in just 3 pages when they were an ongoing threat for about 2 years in the past?

I feel like either this is horrible writing, or someone is pulling strings outside of all this. It's almost like someone doing a horrible experiment on everyone to see how awful they can make the lives of the X-Men survivors who are still in the 616. It just seems to be piling on them more and more, especially Scott and Emma, it feels like the two of them are just being tortured now. It even makes sense, both of them are given just a tiny bit of hope they can overcome all of this so they keep trying to fight, but every time it feels like they are getting out of the pit they experience this massive setback. Logan is being tortured by making him watch all of these young kids die around him and he isn't able to save any of them. Illyana, Dani, and Karma are being tortured as they watch the people they have cared about being picked off one by one. It feels like someone is torturing all of these characters in different ways and they have been ever since Disassembled.

Rosenberg said that he had to cut 2 romances because he had less issues than what he was getting. So the stories are rushed and never have time to breathe.

This reads like x-men do their last stand. They don't have money or resources like when the decimation happened. majority of x-men are possibly dead
Emma had to make difficult choices.
Everyone is on the edge. This story is only ever possible to tell on a Au or in a run that won't have consequences

[RachelGrey]

Rosenberg said that he had to cut 2 romances because he had less issues than what he was getting. So the stories are rushed and never have time to breathe.

This reads like x-men do their last stand. They don't have money or resources like when the decimation happened. majority of x-men are possibly dead
Emma had to make difficult choices.
Everyone is on the edge. This story is only ever possible to tell on a Au or in a run that won't have consequences

So you think there will be a reset, I have been suspecting that there is going to be some kind of reset when the AoXM characters merge back into 616 along with Rachel and X-Force as well. I really think Rachel will undo older Cable's death which could cause a big reset in and of itself. All it would take at that point is to have Rachel and Cable show up and tear the O.N.E. apart.

[Rosebunse]

Even if this run had less issues than they thought, it still feels like that doesn't address the art and the almostpornagraphic levels of death.

[RachelGrey]

Even if this run had less issues than they thought, it still feels like that doesn't address the art and the almostpornagraphic levels of death.

yeah the torture/death porn is getting a bit much for me. It just feels like all the characters are being tortured by some god or goddess at this point.

[nandes]

At least all Austen wanted to was write his own X-Men smut fanfic and not resurrect & murder every single X-character in existence

[Snoop Dogg]

violence and death are always sexier than smut

[Tycon]

This isn’t even a competition and I’m surprised we’re entertaining it like it was. Austen completely screwed up Nightcrawler origins, gave us some of the worse X-Men stories out of it (Holy War, the Draco), tried to redo Romeo and Juliet but with unlikable rednecks, threw up one of the most controversial relationships and scenes with Angel dating a barely legal Husk (don’t forget the sky sex in front of her mom), and don’t forget the Havok/Polaris wedding.

Rosenberg’s run is bad because it brutalizes X-characters for the sake of manpain and....not even for drama. They didn’t need Blindfold committing suicide to set the tone. We didn’t need to see Loa’s bloody corpse in front of her friends to set the tone. We didn’t need Wolfsbane getting beat to death in a horrible trans panic allegory that Rosenberg completely misunderstood. Chamber and Vanisher just happened to happen. No one would have a real problem with these deaths if they were executed well like Nightcrawler in Second Coming or Icarus or Xavier or probably the majority of times X-writers have handled death, but what was the point of Loa dying if she doesn’t even affect the cast? The only two people that she “saved” are dead and she got robbed of a death scene. This is just Heroes in Crisis as far as tackling mental health and killing off loads of X-characters. Rosenberg’s run has its problems, but we can tell there’s at least some light at the end of the tunnel. We are still dealing with Austen’s stench to this day

[Snoop Dogg]

gotta give matt some props, though, that gibbon issue did a great job raising the stakes and sending off a classic character, it really showed how dark the x-men's world is now