Originally Posted by
Tzigone
Taking willing kids and putting them in costume to fight crime and risk their lives is a genre trope. It doesn't "count" for many of us in the same way that friends and family not recognizing someone with a mask (or without glasses) doesn't make them a blind idiot.
The interpersonal relations do count because they are not a genre trope. For me, definitely some of it shows up for Bruce in the early post-crisis era with the change in how Dick became Nightwing and how Jason became Robin (and how poorly Batman treated some other heroes) making Batman a less-good person and less-good parent. Yeah, he made some mistakes with Dick before (unsure about Jason), but it so wasn't one-sided. It seems to settle down a bit in the early to middish 1990s, but roars back in the late '90s where, to me, it simply outstrips the good parenting (or good friending) to such a degree I don't like the character anymore. Sometimes it gets a bit better, but it never seems to stay that way anymore. For a less-long-lived fandom (a tv show being a prime example), it's be past the point where I simply don't care anymore - so much bad has been done I no longer feel the good sincere. But it's not, and more changes in direction are done in comics, so I can hold out more hope though.