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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    Thank you! I've been on this train ever since Odyssey, which while to say it had its problems as a story is an understatement, bringing Steve into the picture as a doctor really grabbed me. Diana falling for a healer instead of an out-and-out soldier is of great appeal to me. The medical doctor angle would be a compromise to keep a lot of classic elements of the character at the same time. If I were an actual writer and I were doing this as an ongoing, I might even toy with the idea of resurrecting him into the present day ala WW 1984.
    Yeah, there's something charming about someone in Diana's position falling for someone who's more of a healer than a fighter. I'm sure this is a trope, but it's one I like a lot. Typically it'd be a woman healer and a male fighter, but when it's reversed it's even cuter! Lol.
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    I've been proposing for a while that Steve Trevor should quit the military (either before or after Diana), and not be a doctor but work as a pilot specialising on humanitarian flights and other transports into conflict zones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    I've been proposing for a while that Steve Trevor should quit the military (either before or after Diana), and not be a doctor but work as a pilot specialising on humanitarian flights and other transports into conflict zones.
    I was just wondering how this new idea of Steve Trevor would work with her origin, since it'd be kinda weird for a doctor to be piloting a plane or being a soldier and then crashing, yada yada, but you kinda solved it! A mix between an aid and a humanitarian whose plane got shot down. The Amazons would be all suspicious of the 'weapons' that Steve has on him and his wrecked plane only to find out they're all tools of healing.
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    I think I prefer him being in the military when he crashes on/near Themyscira (likely piloting a C-17 or C-130). That way he can get a clear character arc of his own, where he is inspired by Diana but it's still his story: he goes from being in the military to being a civilian. Still doing the same stuff (and keeping the core of his character), but for another and probably for him nobler purpose. To me that's a much better fit with the "original" Steve than the one Rucka created in Rebirth.

    That was arguably one of the strengths of the depiction of Steve in the movie: that he has a clear character arc. Sadly, that one is him learning to be a hero, and it kills him, so it's not as usable for the comics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KangMiRae View Post
    Yeah, there's something charming about someone in Diana's position falling for someone who's more of a healer than a fighter. I'm sure this is a trope, but it's one I like a lot. Typically it'd be a woman healer and a male fighter, but when it's reversed it's even cuter! Lol.
    For heaven's sake, I just realized I twice misspoke; I meant to say "military doctor", not medical. Hence what I meant by keeping some of the familiar tropes. Derp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    For heaven's sake, I just realized I twice misspoke; I meant to say "military doctor", not medical. Hence what I meant by keeping some of the familiar tropes. Derp.
    I'm imagining military doctor Steve Trevor somewhat like Angela Ziegler from Overwatch.
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    I have this completely odd idea. Basically, it has all the Amazons crafted from clay. I mean, it's not essential, but just how it popped into my head. The idea was being made the same would explain why they all the same abilities, because it would be skill aloe that differentiates WW from the others in my headcanon (though she'd end up with tools they don't have). Though, of course, any god/goddess might simply make her the same as the others. The idea was that they were made to a purpose - as warriors. Now, they are so much more, but they are that, too. Every amazon a warrior, no matter what else she does. And, too, they are infertile. They were never meant to procreate. They do not have a biological drive to procreate, though they do enjoy sex. I thought it would suit better to the idea that none of them have or want children, save Hippolyta. It's not a biological urge, but a purely psychological one for her. In this aspect, Diana would also be infertile, but she's okay with that - children were not a want of hers.


    Donna Troy would be an orphan in foster care (born to an unwed mother who died when she was 4 or 5). I wanted to keep her identity issues, while keeping Diana's debut as Wonder Woman when Dick older than toddler-hood. She would be exposed to an ancient magical mirror (probably copper since glass ones aren't that old?) than would give her all of Diana's powers. This would be because an enemy (Circe?) planned for an army of amazon-strength (transferring power to each through mirror), but lost it in battle (with WW and maybe others) and the child picked it up. No one saw, and a half dozen years later, Wonder Girl shows up. Gets training from WW. One thing is that Donna's various foster parents are fine, but she doesn't have a real family. This ties into her issues of self in the New Teen Titans, pre-Crisis. Also to marrying and having a baby basically as soon as she's grown. I initially considered that she might be a child of Zeus (amusingly, since I wasn't going to have either Cassie or Diana to be), but would not know that and might wonder if Superman was her dad when he first showed up - there's about a 17 year age gap in my version - but thought if I wasn't making either of the others Zeus's child, why should she be, and why should she have the same powers as Amazons? I am using the idea that when he first sees Wonder Woman in action, Superman wonders if there was another survivor from Krypton.

    Actually imagined a funny (or cringe-worthy, depending on your mood) scene where teenage Wally is present (along with others, Donna just worked with other teens for first time) when Diana finds out about Donna and and how she got her powers. Diana asks if she menstruates, to find out how amazon she is. Donna answers yes and Diane explains why she asks and Wally just sticks his foot his mouth as the words pop out "then why do you have breasts?" and Diana says because Amazons being formed as an ideal of feminine beauty. Steve reassure embarassed Wally - he asked the same thing when he fount out. Only problem is what exactly the ideal of feminine beauty was then, as I do like the Amazons to look somewhat muscular and warrior like instead of their daintier golden age appearances that specified they didn't have lots of muscle.

    Also, after seeing the issues brought up in an old thread on this board, I'm dropping Diana down a couple inches on height. I looked at percentiles and it'd be equivalent to a man over 6'8" for her to be 6'2" (in terms of rarity). Haven't looked broken down by race yet, but that's too extreme for me.

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    I would reboot the series, with Diana having already settled in fictional Marston City, the X-files Capital of the DCEU, ..sharing a townhouse with Mala and Etta.

    The Amazing Amazon jets into adventures, alone and with friends, ..occasionally joined by ARGUS agent, Steve Trevor. Steve's relationship with Diana would be decidedly modern - sometimes, sexual, perpetually growing, blowing up, changing and, most important, ..without commitments. He is one of a small circle of loyal companions, commanded by Diana, which includes Artemis, Queen Desira of Venus, Ferdinand, Donna Troy, Hercules and I Ching. They would be recurring companions, like three or four stories, a year...tops! Basically, Mala would handle Diana's communications, arsenal, sparring and household, rarely joining adventures, while Etta aids her in the field...in action!

    Let me write this in lightning...my Steve Trevor would be, like Etta, a trusted companion and one of a circle of Diana's loyalists - princesses have those. While he and Diana work together, enjoy each other's company and occasionally date and hook-up, Steve understands that they are NOT a couple. He is not her lovesick boyfriend, and she isn't pining away for him, either. I have been bored to death by Diana/Steve, as a committed couple, with all the clunky man-woman, god-to-mortal stuff, neatly ironed out and resolved. My reboot would show them growing into a couple, with them coming together, way, wa-aay down the road, ..and I think good writers could make the sexual tension between them, very exciting.

    There would be more characters, friends and foes, passing through the comic, of course! Frequent visits to Paradise Island would make the Amazons a fixture, ..every two or three issues. Less frequent appearances would be made by popular superheroes from other comics AND Sensation Comics alum - Mister Terrific, Sargon the Sorcerer, Astra (Girl from the Future), Wildcat, Gay Ghost, the Whip, Boy Blue and Lady Danger! The recurring rogues gallery would lead off with a metahuman Citizen Cale, the Cheetah, Doctor Cyber, Giganta, Poison Alpha, Doctor Psycho, Kung, the Adjudicator, the White Magician and Silver Swan...for starters. For more character-driven drama, I would also like to engage Diana in a feud with a powerful, adversarial family: the Brilyants, ..which sired Steve Trevor.

    I would reboot Wonder Woman into TWO monthly comics. The present Wonder Woman comic would be reworked into a superhero adventure comic - a cross between Tomb Raider and Thor Ragnarok, with Greek myth-inspired background elements. The second, new comic, Sensational World of Wonder Woman, would feature magic-oriented and myth-inspired stories, about Wonder Woman fighting war gods, krakens, demons and evil sorceresses, like Circe, with the Amazons on the Island, ..every issue! That's the legendary two-comic solution; with WW having been bi-monthly, since 2017, ..I think we're ready for that.

    There might even be room for a pet kanga.
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    I'm going to keep it simple.

    The amazons were created by the Titan Themis to enforce law and order. Hence Themyscira is named after her. Through her, she asked all the Olympian gods to impart a portion of their powers to the amazons, and hence you have a diverse society of amazons that have various specialties even though all of them have a basic power set of super human strength, extended senses and beauty.

    Two representatives are sent to man's world from Themysicra: Wonder Woman and Donna Troy, which is more of a warrior mystic, less powerful than Diana in combat and physical prowess, but more powerful in the mystic arts. Wonder Girl is the immortal daughter of Antiope and Hercules.

    WW, however, is just another amazon that had the best qualities of each Olympian has to offer, and hence why she won the contest and became WW.

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    I'd rather have a universe that was based in the 1940s comics. I can see why this makes problems for other super-heroes that have large supporting casts of regular mortals--which means they either have to age or there has to be some weird explanation for why they don't--but for Diana, her regular cast has changed so often, the only people that remain a constant are the Amazons, who don't age (or age very slowly).

    Steve Trevor has been re-imagined several times (sometimes as an older character) and died and come to life and he hasn't been a constant in the stories. Given a Stever Trevor is the only mortal supporting character of importance that we have to worry about, a long Wonder Woman history is a lot easier to construct than it would be for most other DC super-heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I'd rather have a universe that was based in the 1940s comics. I can see why this makes problems for other super-heroes that have large supporting casts of regular mortals--which means they either have to age or there has to be some weird explanation for why they don't--but for Diana, her regular cast has changed so often, the only people that remain a constant are the Amazons, who don't age (or age very slowly).

    Steve Trevor has been re-imagined several times (sometimes as an older character) and died and come to life and he hasn't been a constant in the stories. Given a Stever Trevor is the only mortal supporting character of importance that we have to worry about, a long Wonder Woman history is a lot easier to construct than it would be for most other DC super-heroes.
    Bombshells was focused on the 1940s, but tons of characters were re-imagined for the time period that I could do without, and it was mainly an all women cast, which is awesome, but if this book did happen, I'd love for some oldschool characters to pop up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    I'd rather have a universe that was based in the 1940s comics. I can see why this makes problems for other super-heroes that have large supporting casts of regular mortals--which means they either have to age or there has to be some weird explanation for why they don't--but for Diana, her regular cast has changed so often, the only people that remain a constant are the Amazons, who don't age (or age very slowly).

    Steve Trevor has been re-imagined several times (sometimes as an older character) and died and come to life and he hasn't been a constant in the stories. Given a Stever Trevor is the only mortal supporting character of importance that we have to worry about, a long Wonder Woman history is a lot easier to construct than it would be for most other DC super-heroes.
    My primary rationale for making Mala a regular (as in every/evr other iss.) is keeping Diana's Amazon background and training, a visible and functional part of the on-going narrative. This way, it wouldn't matter, whether writers moved Wonder Woman to the moon or made her a jetsetting adventurer, always on the march. The established cast would include Diana's trusted Amazon aide, Mala, ..Etta, Steve and some other useful, popular fourth character - Queen Desira, Ferdinand, War. However, that that doesn't do much good, if editors aren't going to require writers to use her or any other familiar, supporting characters, ..long enough to make them regulars.

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    I’m more and more considering a Morrisonian approach that “everything happened” and similar to his Batman run, including some twists and turns on existing characters and including new characters.

    Some definite things:

    1. Diana gets her own iconic city that’s as every bit her as Metropolis is to Superman and Gotham is to Batman.

    2. Major existing supporting characters include: Hippolyta, Steve, Etta, & Donna Troy.

    3. Minor/secondary/occasional existing supporting characters include: Artemis, Mala, Io, Pythia, Philippus, Menalippe, Euboea, Nu’Bia, Aella, Faruka, Hessia, Cassandra Sandsmark, Helena Sandsmark, Julia Kapatelis, Vanessa Kapatelis, Myndi Mayer, Kevin Mayer, Black Canary, Trevor Barnes, Ed Indelicato, The Holliday Girls, Jonny Double, Camille Sly, the Themysciran embassy staff, Hoppy Greene, King Faraday, General Darnell, and various agents at ARGUS.

    4. The Amazons are technologically advanced and have some mystical artifacts.

    5. Donna Troy is saved by Diana during an adventure in Patriarch’a World and is brought to Themyscira to be raised by Hippolyta and the Amazons.

    6. Themyscira is shielded by an impenetrable, unnatural “chaos” storm and water currents to all those attempting to access it.

    7. Themyscira is large enough to contain several cities and is extremely ecologically diverse in terrain and tropical and temperate climate and supports a huge amount of biodiversity (including mythological and cryptozoological flora and fauna), considering its size.

    It’s fun to read everyone’s takes on a more expansive world for Diana.

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    I want some genius celeb writer to look at the WW comic and decide who needs to be in Diana's on-going story and who does not. Who does Diana need to get her work done, whatever the work is...whatever the bold, new direction is? Conceivably, who should be her archenemy, for ALL time, and why...a solid reason, why?

    That would require a definition of who or what Wonder Woman is, what is she doing in Man's World - her wonder-work...her cause. It would require a definition of who (who isn't ARES or a force of nature) needs to stop her ..or be stopped by her, more than anybody else. So far, WW writers haven't answered those questions, and I think that needs to happen, before we see reboot that will stick.

    I'm not going into the supporting cast thing...need a break from that.

    I want to see a reboot that sticks and becomes classic.
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    I have been reading about the history of Women rights and learned that in ancient times Women had a bit more rights in ancient Egypt, Sumer and India than in colonial america.

    So my rough idea for a Wonder Woman reboot would be to include some Gods from ancient times in Sumer such as Inanna and female pharoahs from Egypt. But since Wonder Woman is mostly inspired by ancient Greece the majority of the focus would be there. In Greece Women had less rights than other ancient countries such as Egypt, Sumer and India. Women lived separate from men in a room called Gynaikeion because it was believed by the philosopher Aristotle that Women brought about evil and destruction. In Greece Women also were required to have a male quardian called Kyrios who took control of all of there legal matters.

    My reboot Wonder Woman story would begin sometime after the Amazons regained their freedom and settled on Paradise Island. Unknowingly to the Amazons the Gods has bestowed another group of women with 'gifts of powers and immortality'. The Amazons were fooled and again chained by these Women after an offer of friendship. But these chains were not physically binding in a traditional way. One of the gifts that the Gods bestowed on them were the power to subjugate the Amazons somewhat openly in Countries and cities around the World. Similar to how Danny the Street from Doom Patrol, can conjure up roadways any where with a single thought the Women that imprisoned the Amazons place them in gynaikeion spaces around the world. Even though they lived in Countries and cities among men the Amazons have never or will ever cross the path of a man ever again thanks to the powers that the Women had over the Amazons. The Women that imprisoned the Amazons were also their Kyrios.

    The story then fast forwards to modern times and Diana, the daughter of Hyppolyta shockingly crosses the path of an injured US soldier in Iraq. Because this is the first time an Amazon has crossed the path of a man it sent shock waves throughout the community of Women who imprisoned the Amazons and set fourth the creation of Wonder Woman. Is this a sign that the Amazons will finally be free?
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