Avengers 20, we are at peak Aaron people!

[leo619]

I think the issue is that even without outright saying it there's the implication that current She-Hulk is "stronger" by virtue of the fact that the strong, Savage Hulk, aspect is so much emphasized...especially with the "Defense Rests" line after she beats the tar out of Ulik.

Coupled with the "free to be ugly" line and the issues she said had when she was normal She-Hulk it seems to be trying to paint her current state as stronger and better alternative to her more normal form.

Well that's the thing. She-Hulk was always considered as tier 2, below her cousin. If I recall, she wasn't even at the 100 ton area like Thor, Hulk, Hercules, etc. So essentially, her reverting to a savage hulk is no different then bruce savage hulk being stronger than his professor hulk form. It just mean she's preferring to be this way, just like how bruce prefers his stronger form over professor hulk. Nothing wrong with that.

[Triniking1234]

Bruce preferring his Savage form over his Professor form sounds like some Alex Jones nonsense.

[kilderkin]

Well that's the thing. She-Hulk was always considered as tier 2, below her cousin. If I recall, she wasn't even at the 100 ton area like Thor, Hulk, Hercules, etc. So essentially, her reverting to a savage hulk is no different then bruce savage hulk being stronger than his professor hulk form. It just mean she's preferring to be this way, just like how bruce prefers his stronger form over professor hulk. Nothing wrong with that.

For much of her career yes, but she did consistently reach that level around the time she needed to wrestle champion, even surpassing Hercules it was suggested though he wasnt fully charged at the time iirc, either way she was definitely marked up to top teir

Though she is clearly much stronger now

[kilderkin]

Bruce preferring his Savage form over his Professor form sounds like some Alex Jones nonsense.

Doesn't scan right with me to be honest either

[whiterabbit]

Well I know exactly what Aaron would say because he has said it before about other things. Indeed I wont even bother to paraphrase:

I'm afraid i'm just not very interested in any "should not" rules like the ones you seem to be laying down here, especially as they relate to a fictional character who has continued to change and develop over the course of 50+ years of publication. Marvel has never been beholden to "should not" rules like that, not when there's a new story to be told.

I mean, replace 50+ with 30+ and same difference. Many of us agree wholeheartedly.

This is his new story. This is the new characterisation of the character. You trying to make it into a sexist statement is ironic even if you don't see the irony. I mean you do see the irony right? Honestly?

Jason Aaron is the one saying men don't take attractive females seriously, despite the fact Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn are easily two of the most marketable and popular characters in DC. As for him wanting a new characterization, we just call that doing a Bendis. Jen doesn't need to be her cousin.

[Ptrvc]

Doesn't scan right with me to be honest either

Probably because it's not true.

Bruce definitely does not enjoy turning into the Savage Hulk, or prefer it to say Professor Hulk.

He might prefer the Savage to Joe Fixit, but that's because Joe is a prick not because he's weaker.

If he preferred but any form it would have been Banner Hulk, the weakest of all, because then he's in control,. mostly.

Banner's spent most of his time trying to make himself weaker not stronger.

[kilderkin]

Probably because it's not true.

Bruce definitely does not enjoy turning into the Savage Hulk, or prefer it to say Professor Hulk.

He might prefer the Savage to Joe Fixit, but that's because Joe is a prick not because he's weaker.

If he preferred but any form it would have been Banner Hulk, the weakest of all, because then he's in control,. mostly.

Banner's spent most of his time trying to make himself weaker not stronger.

Yep, sounds right

[Ptrvc]

The big thing is, if Jen wants to be Savage because it means she's stronger, then fine.

Don't claim that she's some sort of victim then. Don't claim that she was the victim in Banner's murder (she sure as hell didn't go looking for his son Skaar to see how he felt about the whole thing).

If She-Hulk wants to be big and muscular for the sake of being strong, and if Aaron wants a big muscular strong female in his book then fine.

But then both Jen and Aaron need to own it. Don't make up excuses. And don't be surprised when the Hulk calls you out on it.

[Electricmastro]

lol. Looks like Jason Aaron is throwing a passive-aggressive fit at those reasonably critiquing Jane Foster's run as Thor.

[Ptrvc]

As an aside, what is that hammer supposed to be made of, spun sugar?

Even assuming She-Hulk's got the strength to do that the ground and Ulik's face don't.

Not to Uru at any rate.

[Anthony W]

lol. Looks like Jason Aaron is throwing a passive-aggressive fit at those reasonably critiquing Jane Foster's run as Thor.

Don't make him passive-aggressive, you won't like his writing when he is passive-aggressive.

[Electricmastro]

Don't make him passive-aggressive, you won't like his writing when he is passive-aggressive.

Or else you'll get hammered in the face until you're really bruised and bloodied like the bad person (aka troll) that you so obviously are.

[DragonsChi]

This entire issue was just a soap box for the writers personal frustration, frustration for fans, frustration/hate for creators in other mediums, and all in all an outlet for him to vent.

All other issue brought up in this thread are pretty much mute. Why? Glad you asked... It is completely unprofessional and down right embarrassing that a "professional" in the industry would not only not do what he is paid to do, as in tell a good story in the context/confines is paid to operate in, but to use fictional characters that have been around for several decades to throw shade at the very people buying his title. Regardless if he agree's, disagrees, or has any opinions that are in between, he should not let those opinions affect the story or manipulate the characters in the manner that has been in this book.

Aaron did have one shinning accomplishment in this issue...He managed to check just about every box as to the reason why Marvel comics sales have been down in a single issue.

[Subzero89]

As an aside, what is that hammer supposed to be made of, spun sugar?

Even assuming She-Hulk's got the strength to do that the ground and Ulik's face don't.

Not to Uru at any rate.

Uru hammers have been breaking like they've been made of glass lately...

It's really stupid, but at the same time i have no idea why Jen would even need the Uru hammer in the first place.

Hulks prefer their fists and if she wants to be like Hulk more than ever than she wouldn't be using a puny stick.

[kilderkin]

lol. Looks like Jason Aaron is throwing a passive-aggressive fit at those reasonably critiquing Jane Foster's run as Thor.

It's this kind of childish use of his position as writer that makes me lose all interest in his work

He's not writing a story here, it's a retort, effectively propaganda

It's using his position to speak out against what he feels is incorrect criticism, rather than on a reasonable forum, or trade press, instead of actually writing a story about the characters

It might be meant as a joke at some people's expense but to me it betrays a complete lack of respect for the consumer

I'm many ways this imo is utterly deplorable

I feel