Yeah Mantlo's retcon added depth to the Hulk and not explained how he got the way he was.
Aaron's retcons seem to cast accusations on what came before, even though that's not what bwas portrayed in the past.
Maybe that's not what he intended, but it's how it comes off.
I mean, as far as the fanservice, She-Hulk's looks were toned down even before Civil War II. She was still conventionally attractive but she wasn't a pinup model or discount Hulk.
It's like with Carol. She's not wearing a swimsuit anymore but, especially since the movie hit, she's been depicted as fairly conventionally attractive but no less "serious" or "imposing" as a hero.
Obviously being male writers they took a man's interpretation of what a strong woman is but it's only with Aaron where I feel like it's trying to apply a very masculine view of strength on someone who is normally a very strong and feminine character. He doesn't even want her called She-Hulk anymore.
I mean, even if she wasn't cool with it the whole of point of being She-Hulk is that she had the power and the attitude to match it blow for blow and empower herself through it. That's what the Gamma abilities and looks meant to her.
I think traditional She-Hulk would fit much better in the tone and style of the MCU then Aaron's would. Especially with how derivative she is of Bruce.
Considering how deeply psychological the Hulk transformation is to begin with, I don't think it was that big a stretch.
If anything she seems to blame the old She-Hulk.
I was just about to say. Page after page she was blaming the creeps for being creeps and she didn't change for them she decided she enjoyed looking like this. She felt she was free by not having to conform to what others saw as beautiful. She was far from blaming herself and relishing what she was.
She even said. "bruce thinks i had it better, the adoration. but why don't i miss it" It was about her not others.
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And now she doesn't. Again i don't see the problem. Why does it matter what Jen looks like. Their are women in real life who people say "oh she would be so beautiful with a little makeup." or in some cases women use to dress in sexy clothes and then decided not to. Or women who cut their hair even though at one point they liked it long. Why isn't Jen allowed to be who she wants to be when she wants to be?
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Also Jen was the judge in the trial. It was she who was listening to all the arguments of the SheHulks. It was she who was deciding who was making the best argument and as the judge it was on her to decide how she wanted to look. That was Jen who made the decision not she hulk. So again, i'm not understanding why Jen can't look at her own experiences and decide what she wants to look like.
All the other personalities of she hulks wanted to get out and that's why they were like. "She would have you believe it's the power, but it's not." The personalities were making their argument to the host personality and she decided, because i like it like this.
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Her history and what she was known for are two different things.
When people complain about the new She-Hulk, they aren't talking about her learning the lessons between her duel identities or how they're sad she lost her capacity to be a lawyer for a while. The complaints were only about her physical representation and their enjoyment of that. So it's not like Jen's complaints in this issue came from nowhere. It would be hard to say the general public in a world inundated with superheroes would behave any differently than the devoted fans of comics today.
I mean, I see the problem in denying who she used to be and the strength of character that defined her then to become what's basically something derivative of her cousin instead of something all her own.
This doesn't feel consistent or true to Jen's character to me.
I mean, people have also complained plenty about how she's now just a generic Hulk with Hulk speak compared to how unique she used to be.
Actually she's more powerful than bruce now.
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oh and what do you know the smart mouth lawyer is still in there while in this more powerful form and in control unlike Bruce with Hulk. So it seems that all that is left is for Jen to gain better control. Oh and what do you know, that's exactly what she's doing training with Tchalla. All the complaints besides her body have been addressed. Hmmmm.
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Indeed I place JMS above Simonson. I might even place it slightly above Aaron but below Lee/Kirby, but I would have to think carefully about it. Now if we include Gillen’s JitM too, as an adjacent Thor story then all bets are off, because I will be rereading that for far longer than anything considered ‘classic’ in the over 25 years old definition.