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    If you care for Moses comparisons (and I do, and don't think the similarities are coincidental; they're also far better than the Jesus comparisons...), the Kal-El persona of Superman is most closely associated with the child of Hebrew slaves set adrift to escape doom, the Clark Kent persona matches up most with the adopted Egyptian prince, and Superman correlates most with Moses' life as a prophet.

    Is this a perfect analogy? Of course not. Few people would equate living in rural America with anything princely, and Superman didn't come back to save the people of Krypton from their fate. But his identity as the Last Son of Krypton is one that shouldn't be overlooked as a minor aspect of the character.

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    I personally started calling him "Kal" as something of a reaction against that trend DKR started where certain people, in and out of universe, exclusively call him "Clark" regardless of whether he's wearing his glasses or his cape or not. I think calling Superman "Clark" can cheapen Clark Kent, crusading journalist and mild mannered everyman. And just because it happened to him so much, I kind of associate the act of calling Superman in full cape "Clark" with the pre-Flashpoint era Superman, whose frequently self-doubting characterizations I am not overly fond of. Not to say of course that I generally subscribe fully to the idea that Clark is entirely a facade, of course he's not. But I think the distinctions between his selves are important.

    So... "Kal".

    On another note, there's a fanfic out there where Bruce lists reasons why he's sad, and one of them is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne
    Clark was having a Moment and I thought he might like to be called Kal, but I changed my mind too late and ended up calling him Kalk. I tried to play it off but I don't think it worked.
    Which has got to be one of the best things ever written about either of Superman's names, or Batman's personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    Yep. Kal-El is just as much his name as Clark Kent is. Suppression of that side of him is a post-Crisis trait that I don't want to come back. Superman is Kal-El is Clark Kent. It all blends.
    However, Clark doesn't know he is Kal-El until he is pretty older.

    He was raised as Clark, which include his powers.

    Kal-El represents part of his heritage, but not so much about his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konja7 View Post
    However, Clark doesn't know he is Kal-El until he is pretty older.

    He was raised as Clark, which include his powers.

    Kal-El represents part of his heritage, but not so much about his life.
    That's not always true. In the Silver and Bronze Age he didn't leave Krypton until he was a toddler, and remembered it really well, until repeated Kryptonite exposure caused those memories to fade a little in later adulthood. In the current Frank Miller miniseries as well, even though he left very young, he remembered Krypton better and better as he got older, rather than worse.

    And then there's something like Zack Snyder's Man of Steel. Despite being based in part of Byrne's Man of Steel, Snyder's is very different. In Byrne of course he's actively dismissive of Krypton. In Snyder, learning about Krypton allows him the insight needed to bond more fully with Earth. Before learning about his heritage, he's an itinerant worker with no friends. Afterward, he's finally the Clark Kent he was always meant to be. Learning that he was Kal-El is what made Clark Kent possible. I always thought that was very poetic in a lot of ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adekis View Post
    That's not always true. In the Silver and Bronze Age he didn't leave Krypton until he was a toddler, and remembered it really well, until repeated Kryptonite exposure caused those memories to fade a little in later adulthood. In the current Frank Miller miniseries as well, even though he left very young, he remembered Krypton better and better as he got older, rather than worse.

    And then there's something like Zack Snyder's Man of Steel. Despite being based in part of Byrne's Man of Steel, Snyder's is very different. In Byrne of course he's actively dismissive of Krypton. In Snyder, learning about Krypton allows him the insight needed to bond more fully with Earth. Before learning about his heritage, he's an itinerant worker with no friends. Afterward, he's finally the Clark Kent he was always meant to be. Learning that he was Kal-El is what made Clark Kent possible. I always thought that was very poetic in a lot of ways.
    That's an interesting insight. Like he needed to find the missing piece of himself to fully embrace the life he adapted to since childhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konja7 View Post
    However, Clark doesn't know he is Kal-El until he is pretty older.

    He was raised as Clark, which include his powers.

    Kal-El represents part of his heritage, but not so much about his life.
    IIRC in most versions where he DOES leave Krypton as a baby, he learns about Krypton as a child, so that when he becomes an adult he's already figured out the secret identity thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konja7 View Post
    However, Clark doesn't know he is Kal-El until he is pretty older.

    He was raised as Clark, which include his powers.

    Kal-El represents part of his heritage, but not so much about his life.
    Really that's only true in the first few post-Crisis based origins, Byrne and the triangle era revamp. Maybe Birthright? I can't quite remember there. But in most, he learns who he is much earlier, including the current continuity if we can take the SO base at face value, which until contradicted I think we can. In most origins he has much longer to embrace all that he is, Kryptonian included.
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