Kindred Speculation

[boots]

it’s the spider that bit peter, we just never saw the deleted panel where peter bit it back and it got the proportional powers of a nerd

[Huntsman Spider]

it’s the spider that bit peter, we just never saw the deleted panel where peter bit it back and it got the proportional powers of a nerd

I like that idea, but why would a spider go to hell?

[GSman]

I like that idea, but why would a spider go to hell?

Have you seen them? They literally crawl all over your house, and bite you for next to no reason. It's just lucky Peter didn't develop an urge to do that, yet....

[GSman]

I don't think any of the character's on that list would speak the way Kindred did last chapter, with the whole male masculinity thing. Whoever it is obviously has an attachment to Peter, but to the extent Kindred seems to have, I'm drawing blanks.

[Hugo Strange]

I still believe Kindred is a woman. Referring to Kraven as "Toxic Masculinity" is quite suspect (Yes, women use this term more because most men prefer to summarize this behavior in the word "*******").

[ChrisIII]

Ned Leeds?

[Somecrazyaussie]

Ned Leeds?

Well, Ned was returned to life during Clone Conspiracy. He also died again prior to Hunted. So that could have been a red herring.

[PCN24454]

it’s the spider that bit peter, we just never saw the deleted panel where peter bit it back and it got the proportional powers of a nerd

I doubt it’s the spider for one simple reason: it has a centipede motif.

[bob.schoonover]

Kindred (noun): one's family and relations

It's gotta be the only Peter clone that never established his own identity -- someone that only exists in his relationship to others.

-Pav, who knew Spidercide would be back eventually...

That's not where I'm putting my (fake) money (I guessed Macendale early on and I'm sticking with it, even if he doesn't seem to fit as well anymore), but I support it. Especially if it somehow means Kaine goes back to his original costume

[Hugo Strange]

Kindred is Aunt May

[Somecrazyaussie]

My prediction was Richard Fisk or Jill Stacy. But Harry is another possibility ( especially after Pete instead of Peter was used). Why? 1: We know about his involvement with Mysterio. Plus Everything we see with Beck is not always to be believed (especially because he is in the new movie) 2: He does go all the way back to Ditko.3: He knew Pete is Spider-Man. 3a: He is someone who might think MJ is in danger being around Spider-Man. 3: He has been known to cross over into the dark side ( Green Gobln 2 and drug use), and blame Pete for things like his dad's death. That is why he could be angry at Pete instead of Spidy. Harry working with Mysterio could be Kindred.

Harry is a full-blown family man these days. Plus, due to OMD, his death never happened in Spectacular #200. Kindred is someone who actually died and worked their way up the totem pole. Becoming a demon in the process. Harry doesn't have the means, or even motive, to return Mysterio to life. Remember, both Kindred and Mysterio were in hell at the same time.

[Inversed]

I'm actually leaning closer to the Spidercide theory myself. If there's two things Spencer loves, its evil doppelgängers of the main hero, and C/D-list villains, and that's him to a tee. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a more "shocking" reveal, like the Burglar, etc., but I do think Spidercide could be a more likely answer.

Spencer's also pretty good with continuity, and he's not only referenced Clone Conspiracy a couple times, but also reaffirmed that all the clones are in fact the original souls in clone bodies, so I think that makes it less likely that its any of those who showed up in that story will be Kindred.

[hbomb450]

If Kindred is male, I'm sticking with Flash Thompson. If it's a female then I'm going with Carlie Cooper

[Dawidos]

Nice to meet you. I'm new to this forum communisty. I would like to present my theory regarding Kindred identity. Sorry in advance for my English. I'm not a native speaker.

Anyway my theory is that Kindred is Peter Parker, or to be more specific a fragment of his soul. It should be noted that One More Day did not only take away Spider-Man's marriage, it also made damage to his soul. Below there is a quote of Mephisto from the ending of Sensational Spider-Man #41.

You will not consciously remember this bargain or this moment or the life you lived to this point. But there will be a VERY SMALL PART OF YOUR SOUL that will remember that and will know what you lost. And my joy will be listening to THIS PART OF YOUR SOUL screaming throughout eternity.

So the problem is that soul of Peter Parker and soul of Mary Jane Watson on Earth are not in agony. But there are - I mean probably in HELL - small fragment of their souls which remember their lost of love and are tormenting over and over again to the pleasure of Mephisto. So let's call this part of Parker's soul - Hell Parker and let's look over this deal from his perspective.

He is in Hell. He lost his pure love. He is in agony, but morever he sees a part of Mary Jane soul (let's call her Hell MJ) there too. She is in agony too. But he can't help her, because that was the deal - they can't rejoin in this hellish afterlife, they can't bring relief to each other. They are on this same place, they love eatch other, but they can't be together. That's their daily torment. Maybe this Hell MJ is a tiny percentage of MJ's soul from Earth, but for Hell Parker this Hell MJ is his whole world. And he sees this Parker living on Earth who does not remember this horrible deal and does not know about their suffering. So he starts hating this guy and a view of his suffering Hell MJ brings madness to his mind and makes him craving for revenge.

Kindred said in Amazing Spider-Man #24: I take no joy in killing someone like this. Don't let the bandages fool you. I'm not a monster but unfortunately. It was a necessity. [...] I'm not ready for you to know who I am. Not yet. You still gotta guess my name. Because once you do, Peter, it'll just be me and you. Like it SHOULD'VE BEEN ALL ALONG. Then we can face the truth together. The truth of what you did.

So what does Hell Parker do? He decides to get out of hell and save his Hell MJ.

Kindred said in Amazing Spider-Man #23: You see I don't want to hurt her. I tould I'd protect her and I mean it. I'm trying to protect her from the greatest threat she faces after all. You. It's always you, Pete.

But how he can do it? By changing his status quo. A prisoner becomes a guard. A victim becomes a bully.

The psychiatrist of Mysterio recalled in Amazing Spider-Man #24: While you were there, you were tortured endlessly by a man - another prisoner of hell who had climbed the ranks to become a demon himself.

But how is he able to make such a career? By making a new deal with Mephisto. I'm not sure about specifics of this deal. Maybe it can be summarized like that - free Hell MJ and I will bring the rest of me (the rest of Parker's soul) to hell. In One More Day Mephisto wasn't interested in Parker's soul, because it would be a soul who would sacrifice itself for somebody else, so its suffering would be holy in nature.

Probably Hell Parker must find some kind loophole (like in the Lost Tv series) to bring whole Parker's soul to hell. Maybe find a way to make him do a deed which will condemn his soul. He probably can't kill him outright, because Mephisto would not get what he wants. (Parker's soul would go to Heaven in this case).

By becoming demon Hell Parker was imbued with supernatural abilites like raising dead (Mysterio case). Talking with Mysterio in Amazing Spider-Man #1 he said he could go back to hell, so he is still connected with this realm. Did you notice than while the psychiatrist in Amazing Spider-Man #24 was asking about his name, Mysterio couldn't speak it loudly but we, readers were shown panels with sweating Parker in bed.

By the way, Kindred can send visions to Parker's head, because he is a part of his soul. He knows villains like Mysterio and Kinpgin, because he has Peter memories. It's not suprise he liked torturing Mysterio, cause he remembers what pain in the ass they were while he was fighting them as Spider-Man.

Kindred said in Amazing Spider-Man #1: "His secrets are no use to me. I know Pete better that he knows himself." If he is a part of his soul, this is obviously true, besides he knows about the deal with Mephisto, so he has more knowledge.

And Kindred said to Mendell Stromm in The Amazing Spider-Man #4 about himself: "I'm someone who knows what it's like to live in another man's shadow." By living in hell forgotten by the soul you comes from can be compared to living in somebody's shadow.

In Amazing Spider-Man #10 he was angry when he saw that Parker had revelead his secret identity to Black Cat. After this revelation Felicia mind was bombarded with lost memories. Kindred commented that she (Felicia) didn't deserve that (so he has some feelings for her) and that Peter was dragging more and more people into Peter's hell.

His nickname. Why Kindred? I think in your language this word is similar to such words as close, relative, brotherly. You use a phrase - kindred spirit. If he is a part of Parker's soul, he can call himself kindred.

Why bandages? To conceal his identity, of course. Being so long in Hell will corrupt your looks, that's for sure. Kindred chose to become a demon, so he looks like one of them. I think we can compare him and his nature to Horcrux, a fragment od Lord Voldemort's soul from Harry Potter series. These fragments were pretty nasty beings.

Why centipede? Well, in our houses we can encounter so called house centipede. Wikipedia says that house centipedes feed (yup) on spiders and other arachnids. So Kindred sees himself as a destroyer/devourer of Parker. And he hates Spider-Man identity, because honestly speaking, Parker actions as Spider-Man make a miserable life fo Kindred and his Hell MJ.

The only paradox is Mysterio case. Beck commited suicide before One More Day. So how Hell Parker can be his tormentor if he was "born" after the deal Mephisto? But we can assume that Mephisto messed with timestream, so Hell Parker came into existence during the unsuccessful wedding of Parker and Watson. And that events took place before Mysterio suicide. The next question is why Kindred didn't kill Kingpin if Fisk were responsible for shooting Aunt May which resulted in the deal with Mephisto. Firstly, he blames Peter the most. Secondly, he probably can't mess with timestream, because he was born as a result of the deal with Mephisto.

And the conclusion. Mysterio screamed in Amazing Spider-Man #1: One Last Chance. Maybe this will be the title of the final part of One More Day storyline. Maybe Marvel is going to retcon One More Day not by restoring marriage de jure (wedding etc), but by restoring Parker and Watson's souls. Spider-Man can never be a victor, if his part of soul is in the possesion of devil. Even if it's a very tiny fragment, his soul is still damned.

What do you think?

[Somecrazyaussie]

Spencer's also pretty good with continuity, and he's not only referenced Clone Conspiracy a couple times, but also reaffirmed that all the clones are in fact the original souls in clone bodies, so I think that makes it less likely that its any of those who showed up in that story will be Kindred.

Welp... there goes my hope of someone retconing away the recent Scarlet Spider series (this coming from a huge PAD fan.)