THE PEOPLE v. Scott Summers - The Murder of Charles Francis Xavier

[Hizashi]

Under Professor Xavier’s rule, Mutants were doing much better. Scott just made things worse.

Xavier didn't have to deal with the near extinction of mutantkind, a poorly reasoned split among the X-Men, or the heavy-handedness of the Avengers. Scott's actions didn't make anything worse, they don't exist in a vacuum.

[BitParallel]

I would argue that the charges being brought forth are not sufficiently reasoned to warrant a trial - the killing occurred on an active battlefield. Can it truly be called murder?

Who instigated those battles? The defendant sought a weapon of mass destruction.

Xavier didn't have to deal with the near extinction of mutantkind, a poorly reasoned split among the X-Men, or the heavy-handedness of the Avengers. Scott's actions didn't make anything worse, they don't exist in a vacuum.

Professor Xavier didn’t face any extinction in his 70+ years of being a mutant leader because he was competent. Once The defendant got the lead, things just got worse. Is it w coincidence? I don’t think so. He was an incompetent leader that couldn’t hold his team together.

I gotta say though; I liked seeing him go from a Boy Scout to a lunatic. Good development.

[Omega Alpha]

Who instigated those battles? The defendant sought a weapon of mass destruction.

No, it was the other way around- the Phoenix came to them.

Professor Xavier didn’t face any extinction in his 70+ years of being a mutant leader because he was competent. Once The defendant got the lead, things just got worse. Is it w coincidence? I don’t think so. He was an incompetent leader that couldn’t hold his team together.

No, mutantkind faced extinction because Xavier took upon himself to treat Wanda Maximoff of her mental problems and ended with her nearly destroying all mutants.

[Hizashi]

Who instigated those battles? The defendant sought a weapon of mass destruction.

The WMD was actively heading towards the earth. He wasn't "pursuing" it, he was aware that the Avengers weren't capable of stopping its arrival and that their interference was more likely to make things worse - which it did. They transgressed against "allies" who deserved more consideration than they got. They sent their mightiest Avengers after the WMD and they failed. There was one among them willing to kill an innocent girl. In their final attempt to disable the WMD, a senior Avenger forced it into Scott and four other X-Men.

Professor Xavier didn’t face any extinction in his 70+ years of being a mutant leader because he was competent. Once The defendant got the lead, things just got worse. Is it w coincidence? I don’t think so. He was an incompetent leader that couldn’t hold his team together.

I gotta say though; I liked seeing him go from a Boy Scout to a lunatic. Good development.

The Extinction Crisis was something that did not result from Scott's actions. You can hardly call this an argument.

[BitParallel]

No, it was the other way around- the Phoenix came to them.

He wanted his grandchild(child abuse) to harness the Phoenix. And when the Avengers and Logan called him out on his bullshit, he took the cheapest route of whataboutism .. played the victim and demonised the Avengers. Sksksk

No, mutantkind faced extinction because Xavier took upon himself to treat Wanda Maximoff of her mental problems and ended with her nearly destroying all mutants.

As to what? putting her down? Is the defendant okay with putting down an unstable woman?

[Hizashi]

No, mutantkind faced extinction because Xavier took upon himself to treat Wanda Maximoff of her mental problems and ended with her nearly destroying all mutants.

Thank you! I forgot about that.

Scott being blamed for something that Xavier is more directly responsible for? Why am I not surprised?

[BitParallel]

The WMD was actively heading towards the earth. He wasn't "pursuing" it, he was aware that the Avengers weren't capable of stopping its arrival and that their interference was more likely to make things worse - which it did. They transgressed against "allies" who deserved more consideration than they got. They sent their mightiest Avengers after the WMD and they failed. There was one among them willing to kill an innocent girl. In their final attempt to disable the WMD, a senior Avenger forced it into Scott and four other X-Men.

If Cyclops was to listen to the Avengers from the get-go. Hope and Wanda could’ve done it without all the mess that the P5 caused.

The Extinction Crisis was something that did not result from Scott's actions. You can hardly call this an argument.

Fair enough. Doesn’t change the fact, he is incompetent for not holding his team together and hiring assassins. Even Deadpool was disgusted

[Omega Alpha]

He wanted his grandchild(child abuse) to harness the Phoenix.

Because he thought she could control the Phoenix...and he was right.

As to what? putting her down? Is the defendant okay with putting down an unstable woman?

In fact, the "defendant" opposed killing Wanda. Xavier considered it.

If Cyclops was to listen to the Avengers from the get-go. Hope and Wanda could’ve done it without all the mess that the P5 caused.

No, if he had listened to the Avengers, the Phoenix would have come, not found Hope, and destroyed the world.

[Hizashi]

He wanted his grandchild(child abuse) to harness the Phoenix. And when the Avengers and Logan called him out on his bullshit, he took the cheapest route of whataboutism .. played the victim and demonised the Avengers. Sksksk

What child abuse? Preparing her for a world that hates and fears her? Or the Phoenix Force, which was guaranteed to come for her?

Logan? The man who was among those willing to kill Wanda (see below) and Hope? The man who has/had an active bias against Scott?

The Avengers? Who launched a sucker punch strike against Scott and his team? Who were attempting to detain (or kill) an innocent girl? Who were attempting to take the reins from more experienced teams?

As to what? putting her down? Is the defendant okay with putting down an unstable woman?

Xavier failing to help Wanda doesn't mean he is directly responsible for "No More Mutants" but he failed all the same. It happens to real therapist/psychiatrists, some people can't be helped except by certain specialists - and Xavier was not the right person to assist Wanda, apparently. And that's not taking into account the whole CC retcon later. Regardless, Scott is definitely less responsible than Xavier for this, so we can all now move on from the silly notion that Scott was in any way responsible for the EC that mutantkind found itself in.

Logan was among those willing to kill Wanda - and it was Logan that the Avengers turned to for counsel on how to deal with Scott. Not their brightest moment.

[CoCoBandz]

Well it is about time for the annual mass AVX debate.

[PsychoEFrost]

Well it is about time for the annual mass AVX debate.

In that sense, I feel that events like AvX and IvX are completely successful, despite how horrible they are. Even now, people talk about them. No press is bad press.

[BitParallel]

Because he thought she could control the Phoenix...and he was right.

Umm, where? Cyclops went nuts killing Professor Xavier. So, no he couldn’t.

In fact, the "defendant" opposed killing Wanda. Xavier considered it.

I remember him haunting her down wanting to take her for “justice” even Magneto called him out on it.
So y’all are mad at Xavier for what reason? He considered putting her down? Y’all ain’t satisfied.
He tried to “treat” her mentally? Y’all ain’t satisfied.

What’s the solution then?

No, if he had listened to the Avengers, the Phoenix would have come, not found Hope, and destroyed the world.

Hypothetical. What’s a fact tho; is Cyclops not cooperating and shit happened.

[BitParallel]

In that sense, I feel that events like AvX and IvX are completely successful, despite how horrible they are. Even now, people talk about them. No press is bad press.

Sad that writers can’t write quality stories. They have to use this cheap way to be remembered lol

[Hizashi]

If Cyclops was to listen to the Avengers from the get-go. Hope and Wanda could’ve done it without all the mess that the P5 caused.

The PF was not going to be stopped. We already saw every attempt of the Avengers fail - and their last attempt led to the P5. In addition, the X-Men have more experience with the PF, and the Avengers should have been willing to defer to them; that doesn't necessarily mean that Scott would've led, but his opinion and the opinions of his teammates would've been given more consideration that the Avengers originally offered. You know, none.

Wanda's involvement makes a little more sense than the crash-course YMCA training Hope received from Iron Fist, but this hurts the X-Men's narrative in service of an Avenger and the Avengers themselves.

Fair enough. Doesn’t change the fact, he is incompetent for not holding his team together and hiring assassins. Even Deadpool was disgusted

Name one leader who never went through a team dissolution. Now name one that never went through one during an extinction level crisis. Now name one who never went through that while dealing with Wolverine.

Once there was light at the end of the tunnel, Scott disbanded his hit-squad. Wolverine kept it going despite orders - you know, the guy who was on the other side of the split?

[Hizashi]

Well it is about time for the annual mass AVX debate.

With a topic like this? Unavoidable.